A fighter jet buzzed my neighborhood

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Thomas Veil, Oct 28, 2004.

  1. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    Something weird just happened.

    About 4:00 p.m. EDT, I was working in my yard, vacuuming up leaves. And over the loud whine of the leaf blower, I heard an even louder, kind of booming roar.

    So I looked up and saw nothing, though I could clearly hear the roar receding into the distance. I went back to work, and a few seconds later turned off the leaf blower to bag some leaves, and the roar came back. I looked up again, and THIS is what I saw:

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    It's an F-15.

    Now, I know that they probably fly training missions, but there's no real AFB around here (Cleveland area)...and while I can't really tell how many feet up an airplane is, I can tell you that I could see it very clearly. This thing was flying at helicopter altitude.

    Spooky, to say the least.
     
  2. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    Interesting. Not having any charts for your area, I can't say whether you live under an MOA (military operations area), but given that you haven't had this experience before, I'd guess you don't. I live within about 20 miles of a Naval Air Station but I have also noticed an increase in activity over the last few days.
     
  3. Durandal7 macrumors 68040

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    I live about 15 miles away from the United States Air Force Academy. That sort of thing is a daily occurence. I'm also near Peterson AFB and Schriever AFB.

    The best one I saw was a few years ago when a Stealth Bomber went overhead at a surprisingly low altitude.
     
  4. Chip NoVaMac macrumors G3

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    Since 9-11 that sort of thing is a standard around the DC area.
     
  5. blackfox macrumors 65816

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    You live in a Democrat neighborhood, don't you Thomas...

    Expect the bombing to commence Monday. It is Cleveland, after all...I'm not sure anyone would notice...

    You are either with Bush or against him, which is why Liberal neigborhoods and their denizons have been reclassified by the Administration as "Insurgent Pacification Zones."
     
  6. Thomas Veil thread starter macrumors 68020

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    Smartass.... :rolleyes:

    Actually, my 'burb is very Republican...more's the pity.

    And I believe my wife put her finger on what's going on. Apparently King George II was here campaigning. Still odd, though. He was twenty-five miles away.

    But I'm sure it was on some kind of patrol, scoping out the area. From what I could tell, it was making lazy circles over the town, completing one circle, moving to another sector, and making another circle. That would explain why I kept hearing it recede into the distance, only to come back again. That happened several times, at ever-decreasing volume levels as if circled further and further away.
     
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    Wasn't Bush near there in the last couple of days? The F-15 was flying was is called CAP. Or Combat Air Patrol. It is standard, and harmless.
     
  9. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    In this case it's actually a "Security TFR" (temporary flight restriction). We've discussed these before. Bush thinks he's entitled to close 9,000 square miles of airspace everywhere he goes to campaign. And they aren't so "harmless" if you happen wander into one, which is very easy to do since the White House and FAA don't announce them far enough in advance to allow for adequate flight planning. That F-15 you saw might have been interdicting some hapless private pilot who didn't get the word.

    I hope if Kerry gets elected he won't be so incredibly paranoid.
     
  10. Chip NoVaMac macrumors G3

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    Agreed, I know of a pilot (we both live in the DC area) that was provided a fighter escort up in the Chicago area (if memory serves me well, or may be it was Cleveland - oh to have the money for a twin engine, let alone a single engine :) )despite following the rules.

    It affects a small population of the country, but it does not make it right. Knee-jerk reaction to private pilots and others like myself. the rules are to make people "feel" "safer", not to be "safer". That some will fell the "pinch" of the law, despite all efforts to obey the law - does not seem to matter to the government.

    A friend of mine says that there is no feeling like seeing an F-15 or F-16 on your wing when you have a flight plan. Not to mention the feelings of being questioned by the FAA, Secret Service, and the FBI - despite doing what you thought was right.

    The same friend avoids flying recreationally in the DC area. He files flight plans that takes him as far away as he is willing to go that day to to avoid hassles. Never mind that the flights that crashed into the WTC and the Pentagon were at least twice the airspeed allowed at their flight levels. Or that those flights departed with jet fuel nearly at 75% of their capacity at the time of of their attacks. That jet fuel is much more volatile over general aviation fuel. Or that most general aviation aircraft operates at half the speed of a of a Boeing 757 at those altitudes.

    To his opinion, and mine - it is all a show. It will be impossible to prevent the same type of air attacks that we saw on 9-11 without total air support over EVERY major city. It is bad enough that even if my bladder indicates otherwise, that I can't get out out of my seat 30 minutes out from the DC area. Does this mean that the DC area is more important than the rest of the nation? Are landmarks that much more important than freedom or the lives on the plane?

    My question there is - does it make sense to shoot done an airliner with 200+ souls; in order to protect the Washington Monument or the Capital that has maybe half the people representing us onsite at on general principle? This does not count when the full Congress is in session (this also speaks volumes about how our elected officials see their jobs).
     
  11. Apple Hobo macrumors 6502a

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    I once saw a formation of F-16s loaded with AIM-120 AMRAAMs. Those things flew over at about 1,000'AGL (above ground level). I was: :eek: :cool: :D

    I also saw two F-15s escorting a 747 into Miami International Airport shortly after 9/11. I never found out what happened. :confused:
     
  12. pseudobrit macrumors 68040

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    This particular rule is designed though to make one person "feel" "safer"
     
  13. skunk macrumors G4

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    That is a very good question. Who works out that equation, and in whose interest?
     
  14. Chip NoVaMac macrumors G3

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    As I have said before, living just 2 to 3 miles as the crow flies to IAD (Dulles) this is no surprise. For Miami, Cleveland, or Oklahoma City; it may be more of a surprise. I personally have seen Apache helicopters seemingly "escorting" commercial flights into the local airports.

    What bothers me is that some lives are worth more on the presumption of of greater damage than what the reality might be. For an example would the lives on the flight that crashed in Shanksville be worth more than the lives lost if it had crashed in to the Capital? Would it be "worth" the attack on that flight? Just to save a "symbol" of our nation? "Let it roll...." is a nice sound bite that we can not confirm it total. Whether it was a terrorist that brought down the plane. or an uprising of passengers - it matters little. There are any of us that would rather live with the results of that flight crashing into the field, as passengers over took their oppressors.
    I'll even bring up the tapes from bin Laden after 9-11 that expressed "surprise"[ at the collapse of the WTC. Would we feel different as a nation if only 1,000 lost their lives AND the WTC stood today as a beacon of what America stood for?

    I would prefer a society that valued each life. Rather than some "symbolic" representation of our life.
     
  15. skunk macrumors G4

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    Too true. But he sure knew how to push the right buttons, didn't he? Guaranteed results. Your policies really need to be less predictable, or you become prey to anyone with a plan.
     
  16. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    The flight restrictions around DC are a pain in the neck, or at least so I've heard -- but at least they stay in one place, so you can plan around them. The TFRs for Bush's campaign stops are like elephant stomps 30 miles in radius that pop up everywhere he goes. This hasn't been too inconvenient for me here in California, but if you happened to be flying in a place like Ohio or Florida over the past couple of months, I expect the most reasonable flight plan would be to stay home.
     
  17. Chip NoVaMac macrumors G3

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    To some degree TRf's are easier in the DC area. Only since so much of the airspace is under restriction. . In the end in it makes it harder to fly.
     
  18. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

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    We used to get F-18s all the time in Old Town.

    But the best was when there was a military funeral in Arlington National Cemetery and I happened to look out the office window and see a B-2 and some escort fighters (not sure what type, I was just looking at the B-2) fly right on up the Potomac in Georgetown. Awesome.....

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