http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3935755.stm Looks like the PNAC isn't exactly going according to plan. 25,000 deaths later, and the situation is "back to square one"? The real tragedy, of course, and irony, is that with any degree of political competence, the results COULD have been of benefit to millions. As things stand, however, we have simply increased by one the number of anarchic states where terrorists can recruit without effective hindrance. And with an outcome like this, even the disgusting excuse that "the ends justify the means" is rendered totally invalid, even by the standards of those who use it. Al Qaeda is still around, Osama is still alive, the Taleban are still in control of parts of Afghanistan (with the Dostums and their opium producer friends in control of much of the rest), the Ba'athists are still active in Iraq, both countries' infrastructures are still in tatters, and it doesn't look like it's going to get much better. I know it's too much to hope for an "ethical" foreign policy, but at least I would hope we could manage a "competent" one.