Air America Radio files Chapter 11

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  1. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    NYT link

    :( What's it say about America that you can make a much bigger profit by being a right-wingnut?
     
  2. nbs2 macrumors 68030

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    What's it say about liberals that they can't even manage to keep a radio station afloat and can't attract listeners or advertisers?

    This says neither what you or I suggest. It says that all the folks involved didn't know what they were doing and failed miserably. And that Rush may be a big fat idiot, but at least he gets paid. :D
     
  3. sushi Moderator emeritus

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    Well put.

    Sorry to hear about Air America. But with folks like Al Franken, I am not surprised.

    BTW, for those who haven't listened to Rush, you might try him for a month. I know what you are saying, for a whole fracking month? Yep. The reason is that if you only listen to him for a short time you will miss his wit, humor and ironic comments.

    Mind you, I do not agree with all he says. But I do find him very entertaining and thought provoking.

    Most liberal shows that I try to listen to lack in substance and thought provoking content. I rarely ever look up anything after listening to these type of shows. But with Rush I tend to follow up on many subjects and become more educated via the large wealth of good information on the Internet/public libraries.

    Again, you have to try Rush for about a month to see beyond his abrasive I know everything attitude.
     
  4. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    Eh... How many times have the airlines been in and out of bankruptcy?

    IMHO, Air America started out to big. These kinds of businesses need to grow. Junkie Limbaugh didn't start out with his whatever million listeners, he started small and grew.

    Plus you have to be much better than righty talk as a lefty. Righty talk demographics are largely old men (and of course I realize that there are more than just old men, but Limbaugh's demographic's average age is significantly higher, and significantly more male than Air America's), whereas when you're trying to speak to the younger and lefter crowd you are competing with the popular music stations as well.
     
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    One thing Rush doesn't seem to forget, given his comments from time to time, is that he's an entertainer as well as a commentator. With his many years of background in sports radio and small-station radio, he has a basic advantage over his competition--which includes the right-wing talky-talks as well as left-wingers.

    There's an old saying, "Comics say funny things; comedians say things funny." Comics don't last, but comedians do. Bob Hope, for instance; he was a comedian. Rush has enough of the comedian touch to bring laughter to much of his shtick. Franken comes across to me as more of a comic--but I don't care for the shrill and strident even were I to agree with the views.

    Savage is an instant dial-turner; Boortz, Hannity and Reagan don't show me much. Liddy is funny at times with his arrogance, but he seriously needs a screener. :D As long as Liddy is yapping about guns and Corvettes, he's funny.

    Lot to be said for tapes and CDs, when driving cross-country...

    :), 'Rat
     
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    You'll also need a firehose to clean the BS residue out of your ears. I've listened to him for longer than that and I can tell you he's a straight-up goddamned liar. File under fiction.
     
  7. gauchogolfer macrumors 603

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    And just exactly how much money did Fox News Channel lose its first few years? I know that TV is more expensive than radio to produce, but the advertising income is higher as well. If Air America Radio had Rupert Murdoch-money behind them, they'd be OK too.
     
  8. Thomas Veil thread starter macrumors 68020

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    It is hard to listen to Rush for more than an hour or so. I find that after almost every other sentence, my mind keeps repeating, "That's not true," and parsing the reasons why it's not true. (There are many and varied ways to lie, and Rush knows them all.) If anything, the only thing I find myself admiring in Rush is his pure glibness, his ability to convince you that a cow patty is really a chocolate eclair.

    On the other hand, I learn more from listening to Jerry Springer (to my own surprise, believe me) than anywhere else on the radio. Jerry on the radio is the complete opposite of his TV persona. It's his show that tends to send me to the internet to learn more.

    So I guess my experience has pretty much been the opposite of yours.
     
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    I wonder if any of those who think liberals need to spend some quality time listening to Limbaugh would ever consider listening to Franken for the same time period? Or Springer, or even Schultz.
     
  10. KingYaba macrumors 68040

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    It's Bush's fault! :D
     
  11. lord patton macrumors 65816

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    duh :rolleyes:
    That'd be a good idea. Trade perspectives.

    Like, I'll read the Nation if you read the The National Review. Or I'll read some interminable Noam Chomsky if you do the same for some beyond didactic Ayn Rand. Or I'll read Daily Kos if you date Ann Coulter.

    But for that to work, you'd have to believe that the internet can be used for discussion, communication and understanding. :D

    I'll stick to laughable circular arguments here on MR, and unstoppable doom out here in the real world.
     
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    I actually spent quite a bit of time listening to Rush in the mid-to-late 90s. My boss at the time liked to keep the radio turned up real loud.

    Oddly enough, that's about the time I decided conservatism was not for me. 'Cuz as a younger, more ruthless, person I was attracted to it for a while. Listening to Rush during the height of the Clinton impeachment was pretty much the proverbial final nail in that coffin of self uber alles.
     
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    word to that. Rush knows nothing. His "plain common sense" point of view all too often displays his complete ignorance of the facts.

    and yes, I've listened to him. He's a moron :rolleyes:
     
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    Others would disagree.

    As for Ed Schultz show, I listen to him almost every day since he is on when I am driving. But not very impressed. He tries to act like he is on the cutting edge but many times states things incorrectly in his hurry to try and get the info out. He is full of hot air most of the time.

    What is funny, is that Ed Schultz has actually driven some of my friends to listening to Rush. Ed does not help the liberal point of view. He tries to say that he is balanced rather than just admit his views are liberal. Rush on the other hand is conservative and never tries to pretend he is something else. That is where Ed misses the ball. He is a liberal and should not try to present himself as balanced.

    Al Franken is an idiot who happens to be a funny comedian. I enjoy listening to him at times. He can make fun of people that is for sure. But has no credentials or qualifications.

    Whether you agree with me or not, one thing is for certain people want to listen to Rush based upon the number of stations that carry him and his subscriber base. Don't see anyone challenging that on the liberal side. Might be an indicator that many conservative people remain quiet and just vote as they see fit. Which may explain why democrats cannot understand why they keep loosing. They have nothing to offer other than pick at people. No platform, no direction. This puts liberal talk show hosts in a situation where they must follow the personal attack methodology vice focusing on the issues. Foley is an example. He was caught, resigned, and is no longer in congress. Yet, the liberals are focusing on this one person as a platform. Pretty dumb is ya ask me. Not many folks are going to worry about Foley or what he did come election day. Besides, the Democrats have skeletons in their closets as well.

    Issues that people want to know about are the national security, the economy, health care, retirement, etc. These are long standing issues.

    One area that bugs me and will until the day I die, is why the government cannot explain more what is going on around the world related to terrorism. But those of us who know, see the world completely different than those who don't. Yet we cannot talk about it. So the inaccurate statements and conspiracy theories arise. Frustrating.

    Who knows, maybe some day it will change.
     
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    Air who? Oh that radio station that had Al Franken and a bunch of libels on it? Just goes to prove how liberals can't do anything right. They don't understand America and the capitalist system because they are so blinded with Socialism. Who cares, I don't for one. They have no ideas to present and did nothing but crack on right-wingers. They couldn't even hold an audience in liberal capitals of America. So sorry, but if you want to survive present your audience with stuff they can relate to. Also speaks of how small a number of light-wing listeners they are. Besides, Al Franken isn't even funny, amazing how a person with no talent can become a media star. But that is the beauty of living in America, we can all speak our minds in a free market economy.
     
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    Yep, the liberal mantra! :D

    Always blame Bush even when he has nothing to do with it.
     
  17. Thomas Veil thread starter macrumors 68020

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    I think I'll let Franken's book, "Lying Liars", demonstrate whether or not he is an idiot. Franken managed to expose dozens and dozens of lies that right-wingers consider to be "common knowledge". That's not the work of an idiot.

    And what were Rush's qualifications before his show? Being a DJ and sportscaster. Michael Medved? Movie critic. Bill O'Reilly? Host of a tabloid show.

    Which is what I hear being talked about on the show I mainly turn to, Springer.

    I think we're overlooking a few things here.

    First of all, there's the "no accounting for taste" factor. How many of us (come on, be honest) have bitched about really good TV series that get ratings that are in the toilet and get cancelled right away?

    Second, Air America starts at a severe disadvantage. In order to have any credibility with its listeners, it cannot be as hysterical, angry, or disingenuous as Rush, Hugh Hewitt and all the rest. The one guy on Air America who did come across that way was Mike Malloy, and I didn't enjoy listening to him precisely because he came across as a left-wing version of Rush.
     
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    Sorry, but I disagree.

    While I have not read that book, I read a book by him titled something like "Rush is a Big Fat Idiot."

    Tiring. IMHO, I feel that his approach is not fact based.

    Listen to Bill on TV sometimes when I am working late. He is tiring.

    Haven't listened to Medved. No idea what he is like.

    Rush is an entertainer. Plain and simple. You have to really listen to him to hear what he is really saying otherwise you will just think he is spouting BS and incorrect facts. Many times he comes across as absurd on purpose. That is his style. He loves doing it to liberal callers and has them hook line and sinker. Funny! :)

    Never heard him in this arena. Just have seen him in his prior shows.

    Someday maybe I will give him a listen.

    True.

    Right now, one thing is for sure, the liberal side does not have a platform that folks want to hear about. Hence the lack of success in the radio/TV arena.

    What is really pathetic is how the Democrat party has changed over the years. It used to be the party of the working class. It supported the people. It was a great party. Now it is nothing more than a party that pokes at the Republicans and tries to make mountains out of molehills. It focuses on gay rights, equal opportunity and other buzz words with no substance. They don't walk the talk.

    Many black friends of mine are seeing the light and have switch to Republican which is not good for the Democrats.

    And while Republicans believe that marriage is between a man and woman, they do support the gay community in other areas.

    Reminds me of when President Clinton took office and said he was going to support gays in the military. Yeah right. What utter BS. He got into office and found out that it was a political mistake so he changed his policy to don't ask don't tell. Well guess what, this was basically the status quo for many years. So he basically did nothing if you knew the real story, but still got credit for supporting gays.

    ...and yes for you inquiring minds, I've known gay and lesbian folks throughout my military career. Worked along side them. Some were junior folks and some very senior. But they could not openly state that they were gay and had to hide their sexual orientation. Just like what they had to do after President Clinton's new directive.

    Anyhow, when it comes to talk shows, Rush is king. There must be a reason why. In a nutshell, my guess would be that he speaks for many folks because a large part of the US is conservative. He entertains and provides thought provoking ideas. And there is no liberal radio show to challenge him. This is not necessarily the talk show hosts total fault, a lot has to do with the lack of a viable Democrat party platform other than attack Republicans such as Foley et al.

    It's a shame to see how the Democrat party has gone down hill over the years.
     
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    Ed Schultz makes no bones about being a liberal. If you haven't heard him say it, it's because you don't really listen to him. You have to listen to him to get what he says, you know?
    20 year head start? At the 3 year point in his career, how many listeners did Rush have?

    I said it before, Air America's mistake was to start nationally like they did. Limbaugh built his show up slowly. The left can do the same, they're not going to be as big as Rush right away.

    It's a shame to see how the Republic party has gone down hill over the last 10 years.
     
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    meh.

    air america never really did it for me. i don't care for bombast, even when it's echoing my sentiments. the only show worth listening to was thom hartman.

    i never liked rush, o'reiley et al because they're blow-hards. just because it's a liberal blow-hard doesn't make that format any more palatable to me.

    besides, the air america network would be competing with NPR for my radio ear. can randi rhodes really stack up against all things considered? the young turks against worldview? al franken against terri gross? chuck d against tavis smiley? i don't suppose i'm the only person in air america's target demo who feels this way.
     
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    The right wing making money on talk radio is like a death row inmate finding a $20 in the exercise yard.

    Radio is a dead format. I listen to my iPod every day on my commute.
     
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    Yeah, but he tries to present himself as balanced -- which he is not.

    "Where America comes to talk." -- Don't think so! ;)
     
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    Same here. I dislike Rush as much for his loud mouthed ways as for his politics. I've never liked Michael Moore either. Fat blabbermouths just don't do it for me.

    Rush and his ilk are geared towards those who can't think for themselves and are only interested in antagonistic soundbites. NPR is where it's at for me. I prefer a longer more in depth approach to news, one that demands I think about what I hear.

    Air America failed because the format doesn't work for the left only for the right.
     
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    i want to subscribe to your newsletter.
     
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    I've found that, by and large, most of the people who listen to Limbaugh think he's telling them the truth, and that they're getting real information from him. They're not. And that's not funny, it's deceitful, and also (to me) really infuriating.
     

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