Alexander Litvinenko confirmed dead?

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  1. hob macrumors 68020

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    Alexander Litvinenko's death at 21.19 today was just announced on BBC Newsnight.

    Nowhere else I can find is covering the story just yet. Guess it's a bit on the late side in the UK, but I would expect Reuters or someone to have picked it up by now!

    I was struggling to see why this was a big story till the other day. It's quite significant if you think about it...
     
  2. hob thread starter macrumors 68020

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    guess it took a while to filter through. quite a while.

    isn't it shocking that these things still happen?
     
  3. Dont Hurt Me macrumors 603

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    Seems speaking anything anti Russian or anti Syrian these days leads to this kind of outcome.
     
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    It's a little haunting I reckon. Reminds me of that other Russian (perhaps?) guy who was slowly being poisoned.

    What a crap way to die :( poor guy.
     
  5. eva01 macrumors 601

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    KGB working to it's fullest. If Russia had anything to do with it, shows the Kremlin hasn't lost a step in its actions.
     
  6. Sesshi macrumors G3

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    It does, doesn't it. Although it's not always the usual suspects who come and get you of course... it can be the other side, who being so discredited in other areas, do it for the purposes of reviving support for their own agenda.
     
  7. NJuul macrumors 6502

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    True, two sides seems to benefit from his death, Putin who are no longer criticized from the apparently very vocal Litvinenko, and the opponents of Putin, who are suddently at the center of the media spotlight.
    However, if it's true that he was killed by this apparently very rare polonium-210, that supposedly are made in nuclear reacters and particle accelerators, I'm inclined to suspect the Russians.
     
  8. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

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    But it's so obviously elaborate. Why any secret service would go to this length, knowing it would be huge news internationally, when a well-placed knife or bullet would accomplish the same thing, is a complete mystery.

    And has been pointed out elsewhere, the Kremlin thought he was small fry. Why would Putin unleash this sort of international scrutiny in the midst of an EU summit? I'm inclined to believe that it was a third party, not the Russians.

    Still, we shall see as things unfold.
     
  9. NJuul macrumors 6502

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    I agree, however, if some third-party player wanted him killed to blame it on the Russians, wouldn't they want to use a poison that's easier to detect? It sounds like it was pure luck that this polonium was discovered in his urine. And if it really is so rare, probably only very few people have access to it.

    But then again, if somebody wanted to frame the Russians, the way that the events have unfolded have played right into their hands:
    Known Kremlin critic poisoned by a very rare radioactive(!) substance that is very hard to detect, yet miracously recovered by british specialists.
    The only problems with this scenario being how to acquire the polonium, and how to make sure it is found. But of course that may be a part of their elaborate plot.

    I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens, hopefully the Scotland Yard will unravel things for us.
     
  10. Abstract macrumors Penryn

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    I wonder if they can trace the Polonium back to its original source? I mean, how many places and people in the world have access to such a thing?

    Well this person must have had a lot of power in order to get a poison this rare.
     
  11. Dont Hurt Me macrumors 603

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    I saw Putin putting the spin on this and it sounded like spin. Just like the Syrians spinning all the murders in Lebanon. Lets face it Russia isnt a democracy, Its being ran by communist just like the old days and look at Syria, not a democracy either. Its not like just anyone can get a hold of this rare element.
     
  12. Sesshi macrumors G3

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    You'd be surprised.
     
  13. zami macrumors regular

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    $69.00 to you sir, tourist price.

    http://www.unitednuclear.com/isotopes.htm
     
  14. savanahrose macrumors 6502a

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    i know this is way of base but....

    do they have a russian mafia? Couldn't they somehow get the plutonium 210? Would they have a reason to blame it on the Kremlin? :rolleyes:


    Just somethings to think about.
     
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    I agree that it's massively over elaborate. Too much so really.

    And it has done much more to further his cause and raise awareness. Makes you wonder...
     
  16. sushi Moderator emeritus

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    It was Polonium 210.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonium

    Never been in the market for a little Polonium 210. Not sure how hard it is to get on the regular, gray or black market. I suspect it is not all that difficult since there are some industrial uses for it.
     
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    I got a very interesting email through one of my university tutors this morning:

     
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    I think that the reason it is so big is because the KGB wanted to kill who he was talking to as well which is why they used a very toxic element in high amounts in multiple places.


    Or London has a serious problem with toxic substances
     
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    Who knows what crap fish have to eat these days ;)
     
  20. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

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    The longer this goes on, the less inclined I am to believe it has anything to do with state-sanctioned assassination directly ordered by Mr. Putin. And it seems the British government is inclined to agree... lots of Russki-bashing makes good headlines but it doesn't add up, I'm afraid.
     
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    I also am inclined to think this is not state sponsored alphabet people,at least not Russian ones (if it was another states alphabet people that raises more murky theories).The FSB are more than capable of removing someone by remote control with absolutely no suspicious evidence.Hell they rate right up there with the CIA and Mossad in the devious stakes.
     
  22. bemylover macrumors regular

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    Well, that's not quite so. A couple years ago former Chechen leader was killed in Qatar, the assasins were captured and they were very much FSB people. They were released only after direct negotiations of Putin with the leader of Qatar.

    Here's another poisoning story Mystery illness hits former Russian PM
     
  23. hob thread starter macrumors 68020

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    Apparently, the BBC reported that "The radioactive substance implicated is as difficult to obtain as it can be to detect."

    However, The Register seem to have found it for sale online, which I'd also heard reported on TV somewhere...
     
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1963270,00.html

    I think it's Bereshovsky, the NeoCons, the Chechens and the Israelis. Probably working in concert with OBL.
     

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