All G4 Macworld

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  1. macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001
    Nick Webb writes "Go2Mac has [another] inside scoop of what will appear at MWNY!!! "

    ...interesting user specualtion. To quote a passage:
    Expect to see this line of products:

    - Single G4 iMac;
    - Single G4 iBook (the so-called SOP, replacing iBook 2 which was only to take our attention away from the real thing);
    - Dual G4 Towers (new enclosure);
    - Dual G4 TiBook (already spotted some places);
    - Everything else: gone.

    Think different they say...

  2. macrumors 6502a

    Apr 26, 2001
    Someone very hopeful, with not much marketing sense created that.............but there is still hope.
  3. macrumors 68020

    Apr 14, 2001
    Fukuoka, Japan
    Dreaming along

    Well, this is one unrealistic article.
    Replacing the iBook with a completely new design - that's just not going to happen. Too much money has been invested in it - Apple can't possible afford a redesign of such a successful product.
    A 14" display does not fit in the current iBook, no way.
    The heat problems of the 'Dual G4 TiBook' are also no quite realistic (apart from the idea of having a dual configuration in a mobile computer that kills the 4 h-battery life). The thermal design is able to cope with the power output of a 7440 (about 12 W). So a dual 7410-version should be *technically* possible.
    So overall, this is just a let's-dream-along article. I am surprised they didn't predict a PowerMac G5.
  4. macrumors newbie

    Jul 7, 2001
    I wonder...

    I remember when a friend of mine was going to buy a G4 tower about a year ago, or thereabouts. Anyway, he had ordered one speed, and Apple discontinued that speed before his order was shipped, and they made him pay more to get one of the newer speeds. If these rumors are true, perhaps this would explain why iBooks are delayed for 20 days now, up from 15 days about two days ago... Perhaps they are in fact going to up the speed to a G4... I wouldn't mind paying extra.
  5. macrumors regular

    Jul 4, 2001
    Apple's goal is not to trick us here, much as it may seem so from our perspective. They are is fact trying to make money (surprised?) and you don't do this by discontinuing a basically brand new product after 2 and a half months.
  6. macrumors member

    Jul 5, 2001
    Holladay, UT
    I agree, apple has planted lots of cash into the iBook marketing and development. A possible reason for increased wait for delivery could be the increasing number of orders.
  7. macrumors newbie

    Jul 7, 2001

    I guess that's why they're just rumors... no one will really know until after MacWorld I guess.
  8. macrumors 6502a


    Jul 7, 2001
    I don't think so.

    I don't think that SJ is ready to jump to a single processor lineup. Think about it....Intel has the Celeron and the P4. Why get rid of the G3s? Educators don't want to buy the expensive G4 chips when faster G3s would work just fine. The G3s sell to well to kill. My predictions:

    iMac- Faster, 15" LCD, cube components, dual processor model?
    TiBook- CDRW/DVD combo drive.
    iBook- none
    G4 Towers- New case color, DDR Ram, speeds closing on 1ghz, but not reaching it. Dual processors in all models except base. (that may be pushing it, but this is only a prediction.)

    How about larger HD's across the board?? USB 2.0 anyone?


    [Edited by ptrauber on 07-07-2001 at 06:58 PM]
  9. macrumors regular

    Apr 18, 2001
    Why not just use laptop technologies in the LCD screens??? Just use the same type of stuff that are in the ibooks in the imacs.... that is the type of technology that panasonic is using in their flat LCD computer.

    Apple has seemed to be able to offer the low end iBook at a lower cost so it seems reasonable....
  10. Guest

    Why go to all G4s? For most software there's no advantage, and in a portable it just shortens battery life. A faster G3 in an ibook (with enough memory in the base configuration unlike the current model) would be better all around.
  11. macrumors 68020

    Apr 14, 2001
    Fukuoka, Japan
    As for dual G3s, they are not capable of running in multiple processor environments. They were thought to be the cheaper line of processors along the Mach5 604e's.
    But they proved to be faster than them.
    I would expect one change for the iBooks that would explain the increase of delay - new colors. It would perfectly make sense, and it fits nicely with Apple's strategy. It also wouldn't offend customers too much that just bought an iBook right before the 18th.
    I wish, they would come up with a G4 iBook though, but I don't think that's going to happen before January. You ever thought that the (now useless) fan in the iBook is for a processor with (a lot) more heat dissipation ...
    The TiBook was designed to be able to cope with 4 times as much heat dissipation as needed now.

    But still, it's not going to happen now.
  12. Retired


    Jul 9, 2000

    this would be too much too fast

    apple needs only to add speed bumps, larger hard drives, and maybe an LCD iMac...that would be plenty

    the iBook is fine for now but new colors would be cool

    we will have to see
  13. macrumors 6502

    May 4, 2001
    Montgomery, AL USA
    Well, All G4's because OS X takes full advantage alti vec. I don' t think apple will put out a new iBook casing. Maybe put a g4 in it. Not a larger screen though. That would hit the TiBook's sales to hard.

    A dual g4 TiBook is possible with the 7410's. They used a lot less power and stayed very very cool. Also, the processors aren't the big pull on battery life... SCREENS are.

    I believe dual G4's will be released. They would eb stupid not to after their big deal with dual 500's. They probably will go ahead and go with DDR RAM. Possibly 200 speed.

    I believe a new version iMac. LCD screen, possibly a g4 processor.

    an update of the powerbook will come in september. Steve is a smart marketer, why flood the market now and confuse buyers, when you can release a good bit now, get sales up, and release a new powerbook in september to pick up sales again.
  14. thread starter macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001
    3 weeks to clear channel...enough?

    At the very end of June, all G4 towers moved to EOL status at CompUSA. That's about 3 weeks prior to MacWorld NY. There are those that thing that this is not enough time to sufficiently clear the channels (in Apple's view) and that as a result, no new G4 towers will be announced @ MWNY.

    It would seem to me that since it's not a secret that CompUSA has moved to EOL status on these units, that SOMETHING would have to give in the way of new towers. Do you guys agree with me?

    I really need new towers @ this MWNY. My G3 has been sold, and I will, in a day or two, be webbing it on an i-opener (hacked to run Win98) in the interrim. I hope Seybold is not when we'll see the new towers...

  15. #15
    Oh really? Go check IBM's website for info on an ATX reference motherboard for dual PPC 750cxes. Not that Apple's ever gonna use them, but they do support SMP.

  16. macrumors 68020

    Apr 14, 2001
    Fukuoka, Japan
    Well, this is the latest revision. They did not support this feature in the beginning due to their marchitecture (positioning on the market).
    However, I did not know, this feature has been added. Thanks.
    I agree that such a design wouldn't make sense for Apple. Using the (now cheaper) 7410 is probably the better way.

    --- quote ---

    Why go to all G4s? For most software there's no advantage, and in a portable it just shortens battery life. A faster G3 in an ibook (with enough memory in the base configuration unlike the current model) would be better all around.

    --- unquote ---

    Well, it does make sense, because the framework of MacOS X is optimized for the G4 and uses AltiVec to a considerable degree. There is a significant subjective difference working on a B/W G3 350 and a G4 450 (Cube).
    When sticking with the 7410, battery life is not an issue, either.
  17. Guest

    that is wishful thinking

    Look, the G3/consumer and G4/pro relationship is a solid delineation and one they'll probably stick with until a G5 is ready. It makes selling the product a pretty clear choice for the consumer. That lack of a clear choice is EXACTLY why the Cube and the Tower strategy backfired; I doubt Apple would make that same mistake twice (at least not this soon.)

    And why on earth would Apple redo a wildly successful product (iBook) only 2 1/2 months after its release? Here's my W.A.G:

    * faster G4 towers in new enclosure -- dual processors on the high end;
    * G3 iBook in colors;
    * G4 Ti PowerBook in colors;
    * G3 LCD iMac with detachable screen for different sizes available -- 14", 15" or 17". If anything, THIS is the iBook /TiBook revision thats been bandied about the past few months.

    If anyone else recalls, rumor sites were predicting last MWNY a new enclosure for the G4 tower that was "like a cube." So there's a grain of truth in there somewhere, but we're all being too literal about it...

    Just my two cents. I'll be there at MWNY to see what happens!

    -- FooMac

  18. macrumors 6502a


    Jul 7, 2001
    dual g3s

    Why is a dual G3 iMac out of the question? I admit that it is a very large stretch, but with Apple's past commitment to dual processors, and the huge promotion of Max OSX and the SMP, it really wouldn't surprise me all that much. I think that g4 iMacs are definetly out of the question, but as for dual g3's, maybe only the $1499 model will come with dual 750's. That would be great! I'll take my dual 533 anytime though.

    Updated predictions:

    iMac- Faster mhz, 15" LCD, cube components, cdrw/dvd combos in all models. (if they can do it in the iBook, why not here?)
    iBook- none
    TiBook - none (the VSD promotion isn't over until Sept, so then they will release one with a combo drive.
    G4 towers- new case color/theme, combo drives, DDR-Ram, almost 1ghz, all dualies. (maybe one model still single) USB 2.0.

    What do you think?

  19. macrumors newbie

    Jul 9, 2001
  20. macrumors member

    Jul 21, 2000
    not *another* new iBook already!

    There's no way in the world that Apple's going to get rid of the white iBook this soon. They've got it all over in their ads, and it's (from what I can see online and from friends) HUGELY popular. A friend of mine who can always find a dozen things wrong with any Apple product can only complain about the lack of pc cards slots in the new iBook.

    Personally, I like the idea of Apple re-cycling the Cube guts into new iMacs; sure would be a great way to put the back inventory to use, as well as keep the slick hardware design in play.
  21. Administrator


    Jun 4, 2000
    Alexandria, VA
    The Role of The Apple Store?

    Do you guys think that The Apple Stores (like the one opened at Tysons a few weeks back) will air the keynote to MWNY in their theatre area, and upon the unveiling of the new Macs, will have one on hand to show, and possibly stock of the new units??

    That would be a crazy fine role of the Apple Store to play in this sort of event. I wonder if it's worth missing work and hanging out there on keynote day, next week?

  22. macrumors regular

    Apr 18, 2001
    I hope that is what Apple would do! The smart thing on their part!!!!

  23. macrumors member

    Jul 5, 2001
    Holladay, UT
    That would be pretty cool, sad thing is Apple has no store near me.
  24. Guest

    --- quote ---

    Well, it does make sense, because the framework of MacOS X is optimized for the G4 and uses AltiVec to a considerable degree. There is a significant subjective difference working on a B/W G3 350 and a G4 450 (Cube). When sticking with the 7410, battery life is not an issue, either.

    --- unquote ---

    Why would you compare a B/W G3 350 and a G4 450? There are so many enhancements that have nothing to do with the processor that it's a meaningless comparison. The only thing thing I've noticed about cubes is their tendency to shut down or startup unannounced, and Apple's inability to fix the problem.

    You'll have to excuse me. I forgot that I was supposed to be a good little Apple zombie running a beta operating system on my work Macs, even though it doesn't support half of what I use everyday to make a living.

    I guess my motivation would be… the dock is so cute?

    Since Apple is still shipping ibooks without enough memory to run OSX, I don't suppose they really expect you to use OSX on everything they make at this point. I don't know how a G4 would help, but I haven't seen the relative wattage of a G3 versus the 7410. I'd rather have another $5 worth of RAM.
  25. macrumors 68020

    Apr 14, 2001
    Fukuoka, Japan
    I am aware of the fact that a lot of technology apart from the processor has changed.
    But nevertheless, I do not agree that it is not comparable. It matters to me, at least, if I consider the system responsive or not. You might argue that this is not fair, because the B/Ws are of another generation (of mobos, chips, etc.). That's exactly my point.
    I have a more 'even' comparison for you - the TiBook and a Pismo. Both feature a similar motherboard and the same grafx chip.
    The PowerBook G4 is significantly faster than the Pismo despite their technical similarities.

    Anyway, all optimizations are made for chips with AltiVec.
    The acceleration of this optimized code is far above the acceleration due to the increase in raw clockspeed or the faster grafx card.

    Mac OS X is not ready for many things, I do know that. But many people forget that it is a 1.0 release - and for that, it is a good one.
    Your motivation to get familiar with OS X is that this will be the future. An operating system without real memory protection and pervasive multitasking (up to OS 9) is not up to date.

    (The G3@500 and the G4@400 (7410) consume about the same power.)

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