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All the issues with my MacBook Pro (future owners, read)
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i agree, awesome machne, my post was not meant to discourage anyone, in fact, i reccommend it, all i ask is that they fix the noise issue. as it is really the only "issue" i am having
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sel1965 said:
My logic board failed, they repaired it.
then...they didnt seat the AP card properly, now i have to send it back again.
bummz. other than that, this baby is awesome.
then...they didnt seat the AP card properly, now i have to send it back again.
bummz. other than that, this baby is awesome.
well is assuming that rev B will come out next macworld a fair assumption or is it more likely to be a couple of years, because i've heard alot of people with these complaints so it seems that they would fix them sooner rather than later if they dont want to loose customers
sel1965 said:
I can attest to the fact that this statement is most definitely not true, even if no other PC laptop are to smoke the MBP (and I have to admit the sony vaios are looking VERY VERY good) Rev B and C MBPs will totally destroy your machine both in stats and in features.
Oh, and needless to say, if Apple's engineers were to get their heads out of their collective rear areas perhaps those machines won't have any of the first version issues too!
generik said:
The one thing this Sony will never have over the MBP is OSX! You can have windows all you want and yes my MBP will be good there maybe be better macs to come but my 2.0 will hold it's own for the next 2 to 4 years. There isn't any argument you could come up with to change that. Sony looking good yeah whatever I have had one before it wasn't that great.
sel1965 said:
*cough cough*
All I can say is if the seller insists on telling the CONSUMER (aka: the one with the money, better known as the one who is ALWAYS RIGHT) what s/he wants, they will simply take their money elsewhere and satisfy their demand one way or the other.
Steve Jobs might arguably be a visionary, but while Apple's products are generally great I do find some aspects of their products annoying.
Benjin said:
Rest assured that the Rev B MacBook Pro will probably be released about 6 months or so after the original one came out. Not a couple of years from now, are you kidding me?? Unless maybe you are confused what a new Rev. is, then I apologize. It just simply means new features, faster computer, etc.
comparing the whine of mac book pro to a imac G5, is it about the same? I can stand the noise that my imac G5 makes completely.
Mine got a little warm today, but
not to the point where it was hot
or uncomfortable to put in my lap.
And honestly, everyone had to expect
that there would be more heat from
this new computer than from a powerbook.
Brighter screen AND dual core processor
means that there is just going to be more
heat produced! So far mine hasn't been
that hot except when I copy large amounts
of files to firewire HD, run complex songs
in Reason, or render files in photoshop.
And I have NEVER seen a laptop with
a screen this bright and clear before.
I have to turn the brightness down
sometimes! That is pretty cool.
not to the point where it was hot
or uncomfortable to put in my lap.
And honestly, everyone had to expect
that there would be more heat from
this new computer than from a powerbook.
Brighter screen AND dual core processor
means that there is just going to be more
heat produced! So far mine hasn't been
that hot except when I copy large amounts
of files to firewire HD, run complex songs
in Reason, or render files in photoshop.
And I have NEVER seen a laptop with
a screen this bright and clear before.
I have to turn the brightness down
sometimes! That is pretty cool.
Whoa there. Tone it down a bit.THX1139 said:
This topic has been covered on about a million different threads. Thats all he was yawning about, I think.
buryyourbrideau said:
The whine is OS related. The guys that boot to XP don't hear it because XP uses more processor when at idle. Easy software fix that will come through update eventually.
I also have the whining problem, and it's starting to drive me insane. I've got to get this machine replaced anyway due to a problem with the casing, so I'm going to phone the Apple store in Manchester tomorrow and I'll see what they have to say about the whining too - my mate bought a MacBook Pro from the same store as me just today and his doesn't whine.
Luckily I don't have the wireless issue because none of the access points I connect to are those that are affected. The good news though is that this can be fixed with a software update rather than a hardware update and I expect that Apple will include this in the 10.4.6 update.
Then there's the problem of heat. Mine also gets very hot, and it can be a bit too hot for my preference, especially on the thin bit above the keyboard. But really, does it matter? Do you need to touch that? The keyboard doesn't get too hot, netier do the touchpad or the bits to the left and right of it where you rest your hands. Really, why would you touch your MacBook Pro in any other way? It might cause some questions to be asked about sexuality.
Luckily I don't have the wireless issue because none of the access points I connect to are those that are affected. The good news though is that this can be fixed with a software update rather than a hardware update and I expect that Apple will include this in the 10.4.6 update.
Then there's the problem of heat. Mine also gets very hot, and it can be a bit too hot for my preference, especially on the thin bit above the keyboard. But really, does it matter? Do you need to touch that? The keyboard doesn't get too hot, netier do the touchpad or the bits to the left and right of it where you rest your hands. Really, why would you touch your MacBook Pro in any other way? It might cause some questions to be asked about sexuality.
Well I don`t know about you guys but my MBP gets very hot. True that it`s at the top by the monitor but it`s so hot that you can`t keep your fingers on there for longer than a couple of seconds.
I know that you don`t really need to touch anything at the monitor but as far as I know heat = less lifetime.
What do some of you think about that? Should I replace it and hopefully get one that`s not too hot or would I be just waisting time because all of them are like that.
I think apple could have placed a few more ventilations on the case rather then just the one at the monitor.
My Sony Vaio PCG-K35 has at least 5 ventilations all over the case and it`s an ice box compared to the MBP.
I also have the whining problem which stops if I run PhotoBooth. Is there anyone from toronto who bought a MBP from the apple retailer and doesn`t have the problem?
I`m just wondering if I could get a replacement from them even though I bought mine from BestBuy.
I know that you don`t really need to touch anything at the monitor but as far as I know heat = less lifetime.
What do some of you think about that? Should I replace it and hopefully get one that`s not too hot or would I be just waisting time because all of them are like that.
I think apple could have placed a few more ventilations on the case rather then just the one at the monitor.
My Sony Vaio PCG-K35 has at least 5 ventilations all over the case and it`s an ice box compared to the MBP.
I also have the whining problem which stops if I run PhotoBooth. Is there anyone from toronto who bought a MBP from the apple retailer and doesn`t have the problem?
I`m just wondering if I could get a replacement from them even though I bought mine from BestBuy.
kristian21 said:
If you can't touch it for more than a couple of seconds I bet you keys will start melting any moment... get it replaced.
Mine is not that hot... Like my ex 1.67 15" Hi-Res or maybe a little more but nothing unusual
McCarron said:
Of course.
I ran it all day until it went to sleep. Then charged it back up to a full charge. Not much has changed under full brightness use.
How about we "quantify" this a little
I can't speak to much about this one. If I hold my ear RIGHT up to the vents in the hinge area, I hear a slight repeatative whining. I do have 8 servers in my home office, 2 of which on under my desk, another two on a TV stand to my left. Someone with some sound gear and this problem should try to read what the decibel levels are.
Again, I don't use APE. My hub is litterally 1' from my MBP, so its using ethernet. I can maybe do some testing with Wireless, if someone wants to compare. I know my wife's PB 15" had the same issues at one point, but it ended up being a setup issue and corrected itself.
I bought my MBP as primarily a desktop replacement. Since I had it, its been off only twice, and off power only 3 times, two of which were durring the battery burn-in period. I got a MBP instead of an iMac because I do have to travel some and like to take my dev box with me, just haven't yet. What we need to do to 'quantify' is setup a load test, with know parameters, that we can use to guage the battery life. Needs to be repeatable so we can get a good sampling.
This seems true on the PB also. To quantify, I took a digital probe thermometer, placed the prob against certain areas of the MBP (2.0gHz duo, 2gb ram, Serial # W8608, dual screen with Cinema 20"). Here are my readings:
My wife's PB (PB 15", 1.67gHz G4, 2gb ram, exact same dual monitor setup) did the following:
As a comparison, I took a reading from the bottom of my Dell D610, which was supplied by my employer. It has a 1.73gHz Pentium M and 1.24gb ram, using a similar dual screen setup (laptop + IBM P200 monitor) so the video card is working about as hard, and under neath read at 105 degrees. Now, the MBP has dual procs, plus they are clocked faster, and faster RAM and a faster Video card, and the under shell read only 1 degree hotter. I personally found that to be a fair trade off.
And, for the record, I believe ALL laptop dealers warn NOT to place their laptops directly on your lap. As stated, that why they call them 'portables' now. The last thing Dell wants is a class action from a bunch of impotent male techies.
There are plenty of discounts out there. I got mine for $2299 + tax using a corporate discount, which I can actually get in the Apple store using my company badge. I know MOST colleges, as well as all k-12 students, get some pretty deep educational discounts. Also, I hear most teachers get a discount too. Odds are, you probably know SOMEONE that could have let you use their discount.
My friend is about to order his MBP, and I found out that I can "share" my corp perks with one other person (friend or family), so he is using it to get the same discount as I did. If you paid full retail, then that was your own fault.
Also, as another side note, this was the FIRST version of the MBP. Everyone who purchased early should note that NO ONE gets it perfect the first time, else there would never be revisions. With your money you also bought into Apple's reputation, one that I hear is pretty sound at making things right with their end-users. As such, have faith that if you present a case your product is not working to specs, that they will have the balls enough to fix it. BUT, they are not going to loose money sending out replacement MBPs if you cannot document that the majority are operating outside of the 'norm'.
I can't speak to much about this one. If I hold my ear RIGHT up to the vents in the hinge area, I hear a slight repeatative whining. I do have 8 servers in my home office, 2 of which on under my desk, another two on a TV stand to my left. Someone with some sound gear and this problem should try to read what the decibel levels are.
Again, I don't use APE. My hub is litterally 1' from my MBP, so its using ethernet. I can maybe do some testing with Wireless, if someone wants to compare. I know my wife's PB 15" had the same issues at one point, but it ended up being a setup issue and corrected itself.
I bought my MBP as primarily a desktop replacement. Since I had it, its been off only twice, and off power only 3 times, two of which were durring the battery burn-in period. I got a MBP instead of an iMac because I do have to travel some and like to take my dev box with me, just haven't yet. What we need to do to 'quantify' is setup a load test, with know parameters, that we can use to guage the battery life. Needs to be repeatable so we can get a good sampling.
This seems true on the PB also. To quantify, I took a digital probe thermometer, placed the prob against certain areas of the MBP (2.0gHz duo, 2gb ram, Serial # W8608, dual screen with Cinema 20"). Here are my readings:
- Key Rest (left side) - 102 degrees
- Just over F-keys - 111 degrees
- Bottom left front, just under key rest - 106 degrees
My wife's PB (PB 15", 1.67gHz G4, 2gb ram, exact same dual monitor setup) did the following:
- Key Rest (left side) - 97 degrees
- Just over F-keys - 111 degrees
- Bottom - 107
As a comparison, I took a reading from the bottom of my Dell D610, which was supplied by my employer. It has a 1.73gHz Pentium M and 1.24gb ram, using a similar dual screen setup (laptop + IBM P200 monitor) so the video card is working about as hard, and under neath read at 105 degrees. Now, the MBP has dual procs, plus they are clocked faster, and faster RAM and a faster Video card, and the under shell read only 1 degree hotter. I personally found that to be a fair trade off.
And, for the record, I believe ALL laptop dealers warn NOT to place their laptops directly on your lap. As stated, that why they call them 'portables' now. The last thing Dell wants is a class action from a bunch of impotent male techies.
For a $2,700 laptop (after tax in CA), you'd expect a lot more.
There are plenty of discounts out there. I got mine for $2299 + tax using a corporate discount, which I can actually get in the Apple store using my company badge. I know MOST colleges, as well as all k-12 students, get some pretty deep educational discounts. Also, I hear most teachers get a discount too. Odds are, you probably know SOMEONE that could have let you use their discount.
My friend is about to order his MBP, and I found out that I can "share" my corp perks with one other person (friend or family), so he is using it to get the same discount as I did. If you paid full retail, then that was your own fault.
Also, as another side note, this was the FIRST version of the MBP. Everyone who purchased early should note that NO ONE gets it perfect the first time, else there would never be revisions. With your money you also bought into Apple's reputation, one that I hear is pretty sound at making things right with their end-users. As such, have faith that if you present a case your product is not working to specs, that they will have the balls enough to fix it. BUT, they are not going to loose money sending out replacement MBPs if you cannot document that the majority are operating outside of the 'norm'.
I am a student actually and received a $200 discount. It still came out to $2500 w/ tax though. Don't get me wrong, the machine is a beast but I couldn't wait a year for REV. C or D to come out; I needed a laptop ASAP. I used MagicNoiseKiller to temporary stop the noise until Apple comes out with a solution. The APX, I have no choice but to manually connect sometimes. Heat... What can I say, it still burns up after 30 minutes use. If you put your hands on the side of the laptop (where the ports are), it's quite hot there also.