All troops out of Iraq by years end

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    Mike Teezie

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    Wow!

    The news is still really new. I'll remain guardedly optimistic yet skeptical until the news develops.
     
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    Didn't he promised this a couple of years ago?
     
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    Awesome. It'll be the best move for the country we've seen in a long time.

    He did- but for those paying attention, we all knew it was not realistic.
     
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    Hopefully Afghanistan's next. I don't even know what the hell our objective there is, especially now that we got Bin Laden.
     
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    ...and then Libya and Uganda. Amazing, someone give this guy a Nobel Peace prize...oh wait they already did.
     
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    He should get another.
     
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    See: iTunes>Bee Gees>Jive Talkin'
     
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    I did. It showed me a picture of George W. Bush saying the words "Mission Accomplished".

    BL.
     
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    And when it happens, what you you say?
     
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    The door is still wide open for Troops to stay as Trainers/ Advisors.

    IMO, this is largely symbolic. The on-the-ground situation will hardly change.
     
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    There's a fine line between being cynical and being realistic. :)
     
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    I'm just pointing out that this is not a BFD.
     
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    The fact that occupation troops are being drawn down to zero is a significant event. We didn't pack up and leave all at once, but it's a milestone nonetheless.

    It's the symbolic end of an 11-year war. That is a "BFD".
     
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    IIRC, 'Mission Accomplished' was symbolic too.
     
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    Republicans are already saying its the wrong move even though all the candidates say we should leave ASAP. Go figure. :rolleyes:
     
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    No- it isn't. Did you read the article?

    Can you please explain to me why this is not a big deal?
     
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    That's troops Lee. You know how many "contractors" are in Iraq ?
     
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    Nope. How many?
     
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    As always, milestone are only generally recognized in retrospect. There is no way to predict whether this intended "end" will be seen as such by posterity. Certainly, it is not the end of the story of our complex relationship with Iraq. But it may end up marking the end of the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

    Bush's statement, on the other hand, has already become a target for ridicule -and justifiably so... yet his announcement itself could be considered another "BFD", since in many ways it publicly exposed the thinking of the Bush Administration.

    I don't think you can find any but the most superficial equivalency between the two events. Obama didn't land on a carrier and announce it, for starters.
     
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    Admittedly a poor choice of words on my part.

    Perhaps 'American backed/ controlled/ influenced trainers/ advisors' would have been better.

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    ABC News Blog-
     
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    At last count about 15,000

    DoD contractors.

    Mercenaries
     
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    I have not seen any evidence to suggest that trainer/advisors will be increased in numbers to replace combat troops. Have you?

    I'm sure such people will be around for a much longer time than our own combat units. they will, of course, be present at the invitation of the Iraqi government. You can't quite say the same about our occupation force. Why is that a "BFD" if the departure of the combat troops is not?
     
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    I never suggested that their numbers would increase.
     
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    It actually looks as though from what you posted, most will be non-military. Even if a few thousand 'trainers' remain in the country, it's a very small number in the big picture and that's a good thing.
     
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    Fair enough. And as my other arguments?
     

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