I realize alot of Mac users are over the top disciples of Steve Jobs. Im not one of those. I rarely ever push anyone to get a Mac. But I was at another forum, a sports forum, and this guy was asking for computer help. He wanted some suggestions for a 2nd computer for basic things like email, web, etc. He also said he was leaning towards a notebook. I simply suggested checking the apple store for a refurb macbook which they have frequently. Took some of the usual barbs, but 1 guy specifically had to reply: "real men dont use Macs" I replied to him simply "Im sure youve never even used a Mac." His reply to that: "Look dude I am happy for you. Hope you find a nice man purse that matches your macs. But in a computer e penis pissing match with me its pro's vs joes. And you are def the joe. And you guessed wrong about using or working on Macs. It has it place, much like the electric weedeater if you catch my drift." So a computer advice thread once again deteriorates into "Macs suck, my penis is bigger." What a doucebag.