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Discussion in 'Alternatives to iOS and iOS Devices' started by bobenhaus, Nov 15, 2012.
A side observation: the difference in iPhone sales between China and India is striking:
China - 2,500,000 iPhones per quarter
India - .... 50,000 iPhones per quarter
China sales are fifty times India sales, even though they both have about 1 billion cell subscribers, give or take a hundred million.
Most of my Indians friends mention that the Iphone is priced insanely high in India, compared to Android phones like the Galaxy S3.
The Android Market in India is booming. Everyone is looking for a GS3 (or similar android phone). The customer demand there seems to be driven by Features(and price/performance) instead of looks.
"The issue for Apple in China is that its iPhone tends to be far more expensive than many Android-based devices. In fact, as Tech In Asia points out, the iPhone's average cost is 3.25 times higher than that of the average Android smartphone."
There is your reason right there. Not to mention Android phones in these countries are usually given away free like candy when signing up for service and tons of BOGO offers.
Its because people in China know the value of a dollar.
Honda Accords outsell the Mercedes S65 too, shocking! People like cheap. Thats why Windows sell more than Apple computers too.
Yep. No need to go further. Price for features is most of it.
You're thinking of places like the US, the UK, Japan where people can sign longterm contracts. Interestingly, those people tend to get higher end models because it costs comparatively little to do so.
China and India are made up of mostly non-contract users, who don't get free phones, much less BOGO deals.
Ironically a 1000$ Windows gaming laptop will slaughter a much more Expensive Mac. People like price/performance. When was the last time people prided themselves in paying more at the pump?
Well the Galaxy S3 outsold the iPhone 4S and any other cheap smartphone, so your statement doesn't really hold.
Now it is clear what you're doing on this subforum
Does this have anything to do with the horrible PR Apple must get in China thanks to the treatment of workers at the Foxconn factory?
Samsung doesn't announce numbers of phones sold to actual consumers.
That's China's issue not Apple.
OK. It outshipped the iPhone 4S.
Neither does Apple.
In neither company's case would retailers keep buying phones they're not eventually selling to end users.
We've been over this many times.
Lets try to use some logic here, if Samsung is just shipping phones and not actually selling them then why do retailers and carriers keep ordering more and Samsung posts record profits last quarter that were nearly on pair with Apples profits?
These aren't numbers sold to Best Buy, Carriers et al
Look at the numbers again. Samsung is not a US company so they don't have the same SEC guidelines to follow in reporting.
I'm sure all the phones are just being stacked in warehouses. Surely carriers don't actually sell them. /s
And those link are for initial sales. Has Apple released the total number of iPhone 4S's they've sold.
Is it that hard to believe that the Galaxy S3 can outsell the 4S?
Unlike the US, the Chinese market don't sign up for 2 year service and get a free/subsidized phone because it's cheaper and more flexible to just buy the phone outright and have your pick amongst the dozens of companies that offer cheaper service.
Take a look at Appleinsider. They seem to believe that 90% of non - iphone purchases are immediately returned or beaten with a hammer. Some might go unsold among the less popular models. Do you know if Samsung buys back unsold phones?
AppleInsider looks more and more like some Teaparty blog/Fox News
You could just post the link.
Sorry I meant that more in a figurative sense. I didn't mean to literally send people to another apple forum. It's just a very biased site. I find some of the comparisons between phones and other electronics to be interesting. The comment regarding shipments just reminded me of it.
No worries My sarcasm detector needs some fixing.
Actually, YES those numbers include sales to retailers and carriers. In fact, that's why so many analysts were disappointed. With two more country markets included in the opening weekend than last year, they had expected far better sales.
For example, among others, ISI Group's Brian Marshall noted: "Clarification - recall the 5mil+ iPhone 5 reported sales only takes into consideration: 1) what was sold into partners (e.g., retail outlets, carriers, etc.), 2) sold in AAPL retail stores, and 3) direct to customers only if they signed for the device."
What confuses people, is that Apple also reports presale numbers, which are a totally different thing. Many of those are not actually delivered to end users on the opening weekend, and are thus NOT included in Apple's sales numbers. Apple does not report direct end user sales until delivery.
They still have to publish their methods. Samsung is actually a bit later than Apple in recognizing revenue. Apple does it the moment a unit ships to a retailer. Samsung does it when it arrives: