Another Classic Example

Discussion in 'Design and Graphics' started by bluetooth, Jul 5, 2009.

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    bluetooth

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    I know the economy is not in the greatest of states and money is tight, but it works both ways...came across this while browsing through craigslist. I have no relation to the company or poster.

    http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/tor/crg/1250297678.html

    Response posted after perhaps a potential meeting?

    http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/tor/crg/1251552028.html

    Glad to see some people are standing up in our industry and making their voices heard. Not that it will change the way of the design industry, but it is good to see that people are making an example of companies trying to undermind our services. :cool:
     
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    ezekielrage_99

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    Great response, but it comes down to values and emphasis on it (I'm not just talking design industry either).
     
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    Wow... 150$ for brand name and logo design... wow. And then they mention that it's oh so premium all over their offer. I don't know if I should laugh or cry.

    The sad thing is, they'll most certainly find some student who will do it, and then curse himself afterwards.
     
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    ezekielrage_99

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    The irony is that the organisation would consider giving a student $150 for a job would be a great thing for their resume...

    Considering the cost of software/hardware I can't see any right thinking student taking up the offer or unless they were desperate (been there done that).

    There seems to be a very "inbuilt" culture where some industries aren't considered to be real work so there's the idea of underpaying etc... If you gave a labourer $150 to build a wall you'd be either laughed at or have the "union" called on you.
     
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    If we're lucky, someone will take the job and immediately post on here asking us for concepts.

    Sorry. Too soon? :D
     
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    My god, thats pretty much 1.5 hours of time where I work now. They probably haven't budgeted to get it printed either, $100 will be coming back out of that to buy paper to go through the laser machine.
     
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    bluetooth

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    Here is another great offer;

    http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/tor/crg/1255589329.html

    "PLEASE NOTE- there is no up front pay for a design. if there is a connection between the line and your contribution and we choose to use your design, we may work something out.

    We are looking to launch very shortly so if you are interested in getting involved, lets get moving.

    thanks and take care"


    In other words, please spend your valuable time researching, brainstorming, coming up with concepts and designs and submit them to us so we can compare them with others who have spent valuable time researching, brainstorming and coming up with concepts and designs and then if you're lucky and we choose your design, we MAY work something out, which likely means a free t-shirt and/or hat that you, yourself designed. :rolleyes:
     
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    It's because the industry is so competitive that young entrants are willing to work for free.

    With media music, some schools and colleges actually tell you to work for free on the premise that one day, some director you've worked for in the past for free will remember you when they're famous.

    My response was always : So, you've got a 20million budget for the soundtrack, and you don't want to hire Hans Zimmer? Just me? Huh.
     
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    ezekielrage_99

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    It still comes down to company reputation, I would not work for free when starting out however most good universities and collages do offer internships which is a completely different thing.

    However if it was a "blue chip" company such as Saatchi & Saatchi, Animal Logic, or Landor then I would have no hesitation in doing something in a capacity where I could gain experience.

    Generally unless exceptional, companies wont asked back people who worked for nothing, why? Well it's a dirt cheap capacity for labor so why bother with the expense and paperwork having a person who will work for nothing. It's that simple.

    I have worked with some very large broadcasters who do that, they need someone for a weeks work crowdsource or get someone who needs experience who will work for nothing.
     

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