Any Macs still made in USA?

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  1. corbin_a2 macrumors regular

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    Having had my share of Macintosh computers over the years I have noticed that my recent Macs: iMac G4 and iMac G5 are both made in China. When I look at my older iMac G3 and Power Mac G4 I see that it says “Made in USA.” So here is my question. Are any Macs still made by Apple computer anymore? Or are they all outsourced to other Chinese computer manufactures and sold as Apple Macintoshes? If the answer is no, then when did Apple stop having US manufacturing facilities? I can see as late as 2002 my G4 Power Mac was made in California USA. I noticed that Gateway closed all of it’s US manufacturing plants in late 2004 for China. It seems like a trend that I believe just sucks. More decent US jobs being ditched for cheap labor in China. :mad:
     
  2. EricNau Moderator emeritus

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    All of my Apple products say "Designed by Apple in California. Assembled in China"
     
  3. iMeowbot macrumors G3

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    Pretty much, yes. A little bit of final assembly work still happens in the US and Ireland to meet tax and contract rules, but even those parts are really imported.
     
  4. plinkoman macrumors 65816

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    my iPod says assembled in taiwan, my powerbook in china, and my keyboard+mighty mouse in Malaysia...

    unfortunately, i don't think anything is still made here.
     
  5. generik macrumors 601

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    It's good isn't it?

    Americans now get cushy jobs while the chinese labour for you guys on pennies to the dollar :rolleyes:
     
  6. powerbook911 macrumors 68040

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    Well, Apple does employee a lot of people in the U.S.

    People in Cupertino of course, but they also have the support centers. From what I can tell, every call I've ever made to Apple Care has been within the United States. I believe they do a lot of that in Texas.

    Plus they have 100+ Apple stores, with lots of employees.

    Yes, they contract out Asian companies to build the computers, but Apple does a lot for the American economy too.
     
  7. busasa macrumors member

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    I don't know what's the fuss on things been made elsewhere, I mean isn't this the point of labour advancement in the sake of capitalism. Why would you want to do the low-skill manufacturing, when you can have high margin R&D work at home. It's time to move forward.
     
  8. cruxed macrumors regular

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    I dont know about you guys, but theres a nifty little app called coconutIdentity:

    According to it, my Mac is made in the USA

    Take a look:
     

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  9. iMeowbot macrumors G3

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    I wouldn't trust the country information from that program. It makes some assumptions about serial numbers that aren't always valid, trust what is stamped or labeled on the Mac. The program usually does do a better job with date codes.
     
  10. n8236 macrumors 65816

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    In defense of China products, they actually make some VERY high quality products (ie. MBP, lol). People have to realize, not all Chinese products are of low quality just because it is made from cheap labor. As a matter of fact, some of the best products come from China, such as your MBPs lol. American companies that bring their manufacturing assembly line into China or any other cheap labor country is very strict about their quality assurance just as if they were made in the USA. Those manufacturing jobs are typically low-skilled labor that require minimum training. Rest assured that QA is of top priority since the last thing they want to do is ruin their own reputation.

    Look around your home, everything from your Nikes to your laptop are HIGH quality Chinese products. Much of which only get imported back to the US. I visited China every year, and believe me, a majority of the Chinese products i have in my home aren't even available in the Chinese market. They are restricted due to foreign poltical policies and terms etc...

    Rest assured most of your Chinese made products are good quality. The reason why it's from there is because of cheap labor, as reiterated. W/o that, your comparable US made Nikes would cost twice that and the MBP at $4,000 due to HIGH labor costs in the US. Not to mention the US is trying to eliminate low-skilled labor manufactured jobs to stay competitive w/ fast developing countries like India and China.

    Seriously, i hear ppl screaming "ewwww, made in China" on EVERYTHING. It's a BIG misconception that Chinese product are inferior. I'm not suggesting all Chinese products are quality made, just many of which are from American company roots (Apple, Nike, etc). Walmart is a perfect example. Assembly=labor. Expensive labor=expensive products.
    Large items such as cars are not yet assembled overseas due to highly complicated QA issues, but you can expect it to be soon. Many cars nowadays, and for a long time now if you haven't noticed, is that the parts are made elsewhere while assembly is from a developed country (ie. Japan/US).

    ie. MBP: Parts made in USA (trackpad, casing, chips, circuit board), etc. All shipped to China. China slaps them together, shipped back to US. Thus, you can technically say it is "Made in the USA."

    The definition of where an item is made nowadays is very blurred. Some ppl insist something being "made" as the whole enchalada from design to when packaged and shipped. We're in an era where an item can be composed from 10 different countries.

    Anyways, i hope that clears it up for you :)
     
  11. cruxed macrumors regular

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    I totally agree with you.

    Coming from Hong Kong, 99% of our products are made in China.

    Does this mean are goods our inferior? No.

    n8236, well said, I hope everyone understands.

    cruxed
     
  12. corbin_a2 thread starter macrumors regular

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    I don't think that China means lower quality, but I do think that the workers in China work for low wages and no benefits and are not given any union protection. They are exploited.

    If Apple dose have US and ireland assembly ficilitys dose anyone know where they are located?
     
  13. whooleytoo macrumors 603

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    The Apple plant in Ireland is in Cork, in the US I'm not certain, but I believe it's California - Sacramento perhaps?
     
  14. tekmoe macrumors 68000

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    my powermac dualcore 2.0 box says "computer assembled in U.S.A."
     
  15. Shamus macrumors 6502a

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    ye...assembled with parts manufactured somewhere in asia.
     
  16. MacAztec macrumors 68040

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    Well, they can live comfortably off the money made on that cheap labor. They can't own land, food is cheap and so are clothes.
     
  17. whooleytoo macrumors 603

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    I agree. The wages payed by these multinationals may be quite a bit cheaper than Western labour, but quite a bit more than the average wage locally.

    Over time, wages and costs will rise, and the companies will move on. I experienced this first hand when I worked for Apple Cork, and there was a bit of friction with US staff when quite a few positions were 'moved' to Cork. But just a few years later, there were hundreds of layoffs in Cork as the positions were moved on to Taiwan.

    I was just glad to have the opportunity (and the money!) while I could
     
  18. dblissmn macrumors regular

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    Is yours a refurb, by any chance? Apple does a lot of refurbing in Sacramento from what I understand, and these computers get a brand new serial number. So, to recap, chips made in US (with a bit of Germany, South Korea, Ireland and Israel), shipped to China, stuffed into boards and assembled into computers which are shipped to the US, returned to Apple as defective, remanufactured in US using replacement boards from China stuffed with US/German etc. chips. That's a lot of transcontinental and intercontinental flights, but that's how it works.
     
  19. Anonymous Freak macrumors 601

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    Until that cushy job gets outsourced to India. :D
     
  20. portent macrumors 6502a

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    I saw a note on MacInTouch from someone who noted their Quad was labeled "Assembled in USA." This was a while ago, when they first started shipping.

    I've also heard that XServes were/are assembled in the US.

    My first 12" PowerBook was assembled in Taiwan. It was an early model (867) and had some fit/finish issues (which did not affect the functionality of the product.) My current 12" (1.5) was assembled in China, and is mechanically flawless.
     
  21. California macrumors 68040

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    Americans get cushy jobs while Chinese labor for us cheap?

    Huh?

    Actually, it is the reverse. American's LOSE cushy jobs while other countries undercut our manufacturing base with SLAVE labor. It's wrong that the Chinese allow it and wrong that American companies do it and will be the end of US manufacturing. Walmart used to sell only MADE IN USA. Now it contibutes to the problem of giving immoral Chinese government (there is no private property in China) our money.
     
  22. DVK916 macrumors regular

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    The California plant is in Elk Grove, CA near Sacramento. I know someone who ordered a NEW Powerbook and it came from the Elk Grove plant, and the Powerbook says Made in USA on it.

    Coquincidently I know someone who also ordered a Powerbook at the same time, but theirs came from China.
     
  23. beatzfreak macrumors 6502

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    My family of Macs is very international:

    Powermac G5 2.5 assembled in U.S.A.
    ibook 14" assembled in China
    Powermac G4 Digital/Audio assembled in Ireland
     
  24. corbin_a2 thread starter macrumors regular

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    I wonder what determins where ones particular Mac comes from???
     
  25. Dave the Great macrumors regular

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    Dells are made in the US

    Aren't almost all of Dell's computers that you purchase made in the US?
    And everyone knows Dell's cost less. ;)

    Don't Intel,AMD, and other tech companies build their top-of-the-line stuff in places other than China because they need a higher quality assuarance than what is offered in China? I think Intel has two plants in China, but they only churn out the cheap products.

    Didn't AMD just build a plant in Germany to handle some of their top products? I thought I read about them saying that they needed to go outside of China for higher quality.
     

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