Any neurosurgeons around here?

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  1. cantthinkofone macrumors 65816

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    Strange thread title i know but i have a question. I i'm senior in high school, and i im taking psychology for one of my classes.

    We are currently on the section covering how the brain works and stuff along those lines. We watched a few movies over people who have had a operation to fix epilepsy. One operation used electrodes to stimulate parts of the brain to help map out the person's brain.

    My question is how many volts, and amps are used to do this? My teacher didn't know, and said i could get some extra credit for finding out. So, if any one knows for sure, please tell me. Thanks.
     
  2. CanadaRAM macrumors G5

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    Google is your friend -- I should stop there in the interests of prodding you to do your own research.

    "In the patient undergoing surgery on the VOP thalamus this was the only structure stimulated. Electrical stimulation began 6 mm above the surgical target and was repeated whilst proceeding along the electrode trajectory in steps of 3 mm. Stimulation parameters (pulse width, frequency and voltage) were chosen by the surgeon according to the changes in motor function observed and were in the range of 0.1-1 ms, 2-130 Hz, 0-7 V and 1-3 mA."

    Note that it is not a direct current that is applied, but a pulsing waveforem. Different results seem to be obtained with different pulse frequencies.

    Now go and find the references for yourself.
     
  3. Wes macrumors 68020

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    Once again google is your friend, search for that whole block of text while using quotes and you get your references ;).
     
  4. Abstract macrumors Penryn

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    C'mon, you're in high school. Don't tell me you don't know how to use Google to do your homework!
     
  5. Don't panic macrumors 603

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    maybe s/he doesn't have access to the web
     
  6. cantthinkofone thread starter macrumors 65816

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    i searched for every part of that quote you gave me and no dice. Im sorry if i dont know the answer, and cannot find it.

    Excuse me if i cannot find it. Excuse me for asking a question. Seems to me this is another forum that has experts that know every thing and are to stuck up, or to lazy to type in the answer and just flame or put down the person that is seeking the knowledge.

    If a guy (which i im by the way) asked the same question and i knew the answer, i would tell him, and then tell him where he could find the source to the answer. For those of you that tried to help me thank you very much.
     
  7. eva01 macrumors 601

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    so you wouldn't help a girl?
     
  8. jim. macrumors 6502

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    Yet they are posting on MR forums. Hmm...an oddity indeed.

    Jim
     
  9. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    Nice way to talk to the person that gave you the info you were looking for. I just googled the first couple of lines and found the source article.

    And the internet isn't the only place to glean information. Ever think of calling a doctor or hospital? Politely explain who you are and why you are calling and I'm sure they'd be willing to help.


    Lethal
     
  10. Abstract macrumors Penryn

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    Yeah, or maybe his Google is broken.

    Anyway, that was the funniest thing I've read all day. :D

    I say do your own homework. I wonder how hard you tried to find this information? Have you tried searching for "neurosurgeon" and "(your nearest major city here)"??? Then you call him/her. Seems rather simple.

    Or better yet, have you honestly tried Googling that quote above? I found it as well.

    Just remember that just 2 decades ago, a student would have had to use books to find this information, and not just the internet. If students from 15-20 years could have found this information without any (or much) help from the internet, surely you can.
     
  11. cantthinkofone thread starter macrumors 65816

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    I believe that i did thank CanadaRAM for giving me the quote.

    I live in rolla missouri. look it up. try rollanet.org. pop is 20k. one hospital. its nick-named the butcher shop for a reason. They dont have any doctors that would have experience in this field. The place is also ran by self centered individuals. I wouldnt be suprised if they sent me a bill for asking the question.

    I would also think that a neurosurgeon would be busy working and would not have time to talk to a 18 year old in high school about electrodes, volts, amps, type of wire used, how many hz, how many seconds, or minutes the pulse would last etc.

    Yes i did search for that quote. I tried many variations of the quote, and got nothing. I spent about a hour of searching and only found reports that did not help me.

    If it would make you feel better, i would send you a screen shot of my history and time periods for that history. I have a feeling i will regret saying this but it is the only proof that i have.

    Yes i would help a girl. I said guy because i im a guy, and i was using my self as a refrence.
     
  12. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    I apologize. I couldn't tell where the sincerity began and the sarcasm ended.

    Well you never know unless you try. You call up, talk to the front desk, and go from there. Maybe the Doc is busy and the secretary will take a message. Maybe the Doc will talk to you himself. Maybe the Doc will give the secretary the info and she'll relay to you.

    I don't know what to tell you. Others, including myself, found the report CanadaRAM quoted from w/o a problem.

    You shouldn't be surprised about the response you got nor should you be so thin skinned about it. Too many students try to get other people to do their leg work for them and there is no way to tell who is doing it to be lazy and who is doing it as a last resort.


    Lethal

    EDIT: Abstract. You don't even need to go back that far. Even 10 years ago the 'net wasn't utilized very much for educational research. I remembering being in high school and there wasn't a standardized way yet to cite internet sources.
     
  13. CanadaRAM macrumors G5

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    Cantthinkofone:
    You're kinda missing the point of the exercise.
    It's not what you know that counts, it's whether you know how to find out.
    Which is why I purposefully did not give you the references on a silver platter.

    Google searching skill means coming up with key search terms which are sufficiently specific, yet not too restrictive

    I tried "Cranial Neural Stimulation", and "Cerebellum electrical stimulation", I may also have thrown in "Volts". Most of the hits were from animal experiments, many were on stimulation of nerves in the rest of the body, so I had to read through a few PDFs of papers to find one that was on-topic. Took me 5 minutes, tops. Learned a few cool things too. I know #&*% all about neuroscience, myself.

    You may be able to come up with better key words. What I am encouraging you to do is to develop the research skills to answer your own questions, rather than saying "Hey, someone provide me with the answer."

    In a forum like this, you'll find that you'll be chastised for asking people to do the searching that you didn't bother to do for yourself. "Google is your friend" is a gentle code word for "you should have tried Google first"

    Oh, and

    Pull another stunt like that my friend and you go on my ignore list.
    Put that in the mirror and look at it a while, especially the "too lazy" part.
     
  14. mcarnes macrumors 68000

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    Why does it matter? It's not information that would be useful to anyone, unless you're a surgeon that does this procedure and then, of course, you'd already know.
     
  15. Abstract macrumors Penryn

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    In his defence, some places do have people that think they know it all. I don't think we were being like that in this particular thread........until I say what I'm about to say. ;) I think that the internet has dumbed down research skills, and he is living proof. I mean, it is already 1000% easier to do research today because of the internet, but because research skills have gone down over the past 10 years, our ability to conduct research is still where it was before the internet made it easier. Very weird.

    And while I didn't want to come across as harsh before, I can't understand how cantthinkofone didn't find the paper. All he had to do was copy and paste what you wrote, including quotation marks (that's what these things are: " " ;) ). He was already told exactly how to find it and where to go by the 2nd reply (3rd post) in this thread.

    Searching in search engines like Google will be a sought after skill in 10 years. :rolleyes:

    Now copy the following quote, including the quotation marks, and go to Google. You should be able to figure out the rest. It was now been explained twice.

     
  16. gekko513 macrumors 603

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    In my book, posting a question on a message board is very good internet research.

    - You may actually get the answer you were looking for from someone who knows.
    - You might learn a thing or two about how to get the answer yourself or get more sources and hints of ways to approach the problem. Searching google effectively isn't always easy and sometimes you can pick up good tips this way.
    - You can get help and opinions on how to interpret the information you actually find.

    Of course sometimes it turns into a nasty flame war, but as long as you get the answers you're looking for and learn something along the way, who cares.
     
  17. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    It's not research if you ask someone to solve the problem for you. Asking for help is different than asking for the answer.

    Or someone who's completely talking out of their @ss. But you can't tell the difference unless you research legit sources. And if you research legit sources why post on a message board? An internet forum has to be one the, if not the, must untrustworthy sources of info out there. Not all misinformation is done on purpose, but it's very easy for a well meaning person to be wrong and for the wrong info to spread like wildfire. Honestly, how much stock should one put in the words of an anonymous stranger?

    I agree, but only if you ask for ways to find the answer. Not ask for the answer itself.



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  18. RedTomato macrumors 68040

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    Ignore them all!

    My advice to you, Mr Cantthinkofone,

    is to ignore all the know-it-alls and blowhards above.

    Nevermind that they found what you were looking for.
    Nevermind that they tried to help you.
    Nevermind that I searched the first line of the quote and found it too.
    Nevermind that it was in the very first result.
    Nevermind that it was too much work for you to read several paragraphs down the article to find the relevant data.

    My advice is to ignore all that. Do the research yourself and gain MEGA CREDITS!!!!

    How??

    I, who am so much wiser than all the jerks above, will give you detailed step by step directions!

    First, with the help of an adult, locate a suitable wall socket. Secondly, get some suitable wires.

    Next step: Insert one end of the wire into the wall socket. Introduce the other end of the wire into a handy cranium. Why not try your own?

    Write down the relevant voltages and amps, and describe the effects that you observed.

    Hand this to your professor for LOTS OF MEGACREDITS!!!!!1!

    All the best.

    -tomato
     
  19. makisushi macrumors 6502

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    EJbasile is a surgeon...you could ask him.
     
  20. Sirus The Virus macrumors 6502a

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    Then how did he post this?
     
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    :rolleyes:
     
  22. cantthinkofone thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Ha ha i guess....

    Thank you, i did the search and found it. I must have over looked it when i first did it. The seconds link had the pdf file word for word.

    I was not referring to you Canada. You did post the quote, and i thank you very much for it. My apologies if i offended you. I never have been very good at finding things on google. Sure i can find any picture of any car, motorcycle, music artist etc. And no i do not use google image search for porn, or any other web search, file sharing network, magazines etc.

    Apology accepted wolfe. Im sorry if i came off harsh. I was tired when i posted that and was very irritated with the people who gave me crap for my posts.

    Im also sorry if i came off as a slacker looking for a cheap answer. I find this class very interesting, and the teacher has a lot of amusing comments, and questions that she makes and would like to do a good job in this class. My last year in high school and i would like to make the most of it.
     
  23. oldschool macrumors 65816

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    what does this mean? are you suggesting that maybe EJBasile is just pretending to be a surgeon? That is very offensive. ;)
     
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    :rolleyes:
     

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