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Apple and HTC Settle Patent Dispute, Agree to Ten Year License
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How much of those Hondas is actually made in the US? I heard one time that Toyota trucks were completely built into two halves in Japan, shipped to US, then those two halves were stuck together in the US, and they claimed it was "made in the US". It had something to do with US trade laws that let Japanese car makers use the label "made in US," when in fact it wasn't really.
I don't pretend to be a car expert, so I'm just putting the question out there.
It feels more like evolution than innovation so I agree that they need to step up the innovation if they want to stay ahead. All these suing each other just gives a bad feeling.
This was Steve Jobs dream, not mine. I don't think Steve would have made a deal with Android no matter what. All your doing is giving a Android OEM more power to sale more Android phones. The goal was to take out Android, not reinvent them.
What happens if Samsung cuts a deal with Samsung for $30 per phone. Apple makes over $400 profit on each iPhone sold. Look at the deal Microsoft cut with HTC and then look at Microsoft's phone market share. Apple is headed right down the same road.
That was a good thought that you then ignored:
Not sure why the person being attacked was more annoying to you.
He is a "good citizen" in this community, he donates to Macrumors. He is supporting the site. This is something the attacker, you and I cannot say that we do.
He did admit fault before your post.
That depends. if Apple can wring every last cent out of competitors by settling, then that is the proper course of action. Conversely, if it more profitable to sue, then that is the preferred course of action.
Throwing away all his Apple products might be a bit harsh.
Maybe recycling them would be better.
Did you even look at the document? It's the corporate equivalent of standing over the body with a smoking gun and red hands screaming "thank God I killed the *******!"
Samsung looked at every little bit of the iPhone, looked at their phone, examined all the little ways in which the iPhone experience was better, and implemented all of those in their product.
To some extent you can be inspired by the competition. If you find yourself compiling 132-page dossiers in minute detail, you've passed well beyond that point and in to purposeful copying.
I don't know every single patent Apple has on each UI feature, but morally they have been wrong and deserve justice.
As for being just a collection of parts - hello! Everything is a collection of parts! Actually, being an engineer is appreciating the unique and complex way they're arranged to create something better. After all, the pyramids are just lumps of rock.
Invention isn't all about fundamental sub-atomic physics. Engineering and invention is all about creativity and design to use those parts to solve the same problem in a much better way - like a new way to design earthquake-proof buildings from the same bricks, or a faster processing chip from the same transistors.
Engineers understand this. Steve Jobs understood this: "In most people's vocabularies, design means veneer. It's interior decorating. It's the fabric of the curtains of the sofa. But to me, nothing could be further from the meaning of design. Design is the fundamental soul of a human-made creation that ends up expressing itself in successive outer layers of the product or service.
Design isn't just about making things pretty - you can't patent a painting of a certain type of subject painted in a particular style. The product of all of that engineering is design. That's the word for it.
I don't know if he is paid by anyone but his site is the most comprehensive that I can find regarding all the patent war going on in the mobile arena. If nothing else his collection of all the court case summary around the world is more than any news organization has up to this point. His opinion may or may not be bias but it clearly is better than any opinion I heard so far. BTW he pointed out a lot of Apple's problem in the Samsung trial that Samsung raised now in the post trial motion, so I am a fan of his analysis.
By Apple? Probably never. At least not to the level I was during the Macworld San Francisco 2007 Keynote. And again, that does not mean I have not been impressed by Apple. I use their products everyday. I work with multiple Windows machines at work and choose to have a Mac for my personal computer and an iPhone as my personal phone. I am a fan. I am talking about being "wowed" by a piece of technology.
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It is interesting that companies involved in patent disputes with Apple always pulls the "innovation"-card. It's like their RnD departments is filled with lawyers which ALSO does their research.. They can't do both!
Do it! These sort of on-topic posts are the main reason why MacRumors Forums even exist!
You're right. At least if they ever decided something. In the meantime, life goes on.
The problem is that the European Commission investigating Samsung for antitrust has been dragging their feet for ten months while trials continued and outcomes have been decided.
There's already been one major EU SEP case that has finished, with the court deciding that Samsung couldn't use an injunction because it wasn't involved in good faith negotiations, but then also deciding that Apple owed royalties.
Now there are more EU SEP cases, with Apple arguing they should wait for the Commission's results, and Samsung pointing out hearsay that such a result could take years... and might even sidestep the issue altogether.
Of course, there's also the EU decision I quoted, which allowed the Google - Moto merger.
So right now, for all intents and purposes, the rule that's being practiced worldwide is that injunctions are allowed if the FRAND patentee has tried good faith negotiations and the licensee has not.
Maybe. The speculation in the beginning was that Apple was going to pick off the easy targets like HTC before going after Google for the kill.
In the meantime, Android has grown to the point that it dwarfs iOS. At the rate things are going, Apple will be reduced to single digit market share in smartphones.
So maybe the initial thermonuclear strategy is unraveling. Apple just doesn't have the ammunition. It has lost repeatedly all over the world in its quest to trip up any competitor who dares to use Android (with a few notable exceptions) and has suffered heavy PR blows.
Maybe Tim is finally starting to understand that Apple's General Counsel and Steve cooked up a defective strategy.
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Here's an idea:
Put him on "ignore' and spare the rest of us your righteous indignation.
Thank you.
Only because the lack of expandable memory on all current HTC phones make them less of an option, and Samsung more attractive.
1. You're reading tone in my posts that truly isn't meant. I apologize (sincerely) for any offense. I am genuinely not trying to be the individual you claim
2. I did, and you can see my full comments in the replies from the other individual (I forget their name). I did so as they were long and unnecessary, not to deceive. How could I when they're quoted? I just wanted to keep the thread from becoming a TL,DR personal match.
On another note, I am glad the suit was settled. As I wrote in my first comment, I wish Apple would work well with Samsung, and vice versa. It is a shame to see two good companies spur. I wonder what will happen if Apple severs ties with Samsung, as it seems to be doing with Google?
(and hey, it's my 36th bday, be kind! LOL
)Just like with any other company.
To quote the apple guru Good artists copy great artists steal
Just like apple did that with every roduct it got its hands on.
Again look at the design software and hardware of the time almost EVERY element apple put into the iphone was used elsewheer before it was shown .
Then others should sue apple and win, either you say apple invented and came up with ALL its UI or the are just as guilty as samsung.
I agree 100%. I am impressed by Apple. Why would I own Apple electronics (aside from my AVR, TV and speakers, etc) ?
I love Snow Leopard, and Mountain Lion is growing on me, a big improvement to Lion (and with "TotalSpaces", "Mission Control" isn't as big a worry to me as before). I just miss the focus on desktops and power systems, and am tiring of iOS, Facebook and Twitter integration. I sincerely hope the next Mac Pro does happen, as mine will be three years old (still the current gen) and AppleCare will be up. I usually sell my systems while AppleCare is still good as it allows new buyers to have coverage, check out the system when they receive it which ups its value.Otherwise, I have been impressed, just not "floored". If the next Mac Pro is something akin to what my friends back west believe it to be, I will be wowed.
Nice how you let off Friday's stellar results.
I bought 10,000 shares in the morning under $535 and sold them in the afternoon at $553! In one day I made enough to buy another Ferrari!
So what was that you were saying about Apple's stock? I love Aapl!
This is good news. Now MacRumors can get back to covering their preferred topics; the other lawsuits and iOS toys.
What exactly is your definition of "innovation"? What exactly are you looking for? What are other tech companies doing that apple should be doing?
I believe you mean "Apple Inc." (formally "Apple Computers")
"Apple Corp." is a record label created by The Beatles
lol touché I used to work retail for them as well long ago (before the iPhone and just before the Intel switch), then went to Corp. When there, we'd differentiate the two with "reet" and "corp", but yeah, Inc. for the whole company.
Honestly I could ask any one of my friends, family, co-workers or neighbors if they saw the "apology" Apple posted on their UK website and all I would get are blank stares. To think that anyone outside of tech junkies/trolls cares about this is laughable.