Apple Avoids Sharing Australian Carrier Contracts with Samsung

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Earlier this week, it was reported that Apple had been ordered to share with Samsung terms of the contracts it held with Australian carriers. As part of its lawsuit attempting to have sales of the iPhone 4S halted in the country, Samsung sought information about subsidies being paid to Apple by carriers and whether the amounts of those subsidies might somehow result in anti-competitive behavior.


    Those early reports on the judge's ruling may, however, have been somewhat incomplete, as ZDNet Australia now reports that Apple was instructed to share only certain parts of those terms should they exist in the carrier contracts. According to the report, Apple claims that the terms Samsung had been looking for do not exist in the contracts, and with that claim Apple has avoided full disclosure of the terms.
    A Samsung lawyer apparently pressed the judge on whether Apple's claim could be believed, but abandoned that pursuit after justice Annabelle Bennett indicated that there was no reason to mistrust Apple on the issue.

    Article Link: Apple Avoids Sharing Australian Carrier Contracts with Samsung
  2. *LTD* macrumors G4


    Feb 5, 2009
  3. qtx43 macrumors 6502a

    Aug 4, 2007
    I don't believe in the existence of morality for non-people entities, like businesses. But you never know what might happen in future litigation, so lying about something like that would be really stupid for Apple. Judges don't like to be lied to. It's surprising to me that Samsung would even bring up the possibility; it ruins the potential for saying "I'm shocked!" if it ever does happen.
  4. darbus69 macrumors regular


    Mar 3, 2009
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    reading this dribble is such a waste of time and not very entertaining or satisfying...makes me dislike both sides (well, Samsung more ;)...
  5. Henriok macrumors regular

    Feb 19, 2002
    Gothenburg, Sweden
    There's a way to determine if Apple's lying. Show the documents to the court, not Samsung's lawyers. If the records are present, Apple is lying and shame on them. If they are missing, Samsung's fishing expedition was a bust. Tough.
  6. Glideslope macrumors 68040


    Dec 7, 2007
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    Nice week for Samsung and Adobe. #
  7. gnasher729 macrumors G5


    Nov 25, 2005
    Lying would be a really really bad idea, because obviously the carriers involved know what's in the contracts since they signed them as well. You shouldn't lie to a judge anyway, but doing it when there is someone who can prove it anytime they want, that would be an awfully stupid thing to do.
  8. iSRS macrumors 6502


    Mar 2, 2010
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    So in other words, it was a fishing expedition?
  9. Jerome Morrow macrumors 6502a

    Jerome Morrow

    Jun 13, 2011
    United Kingdom
    They can't be, because they are missing. Don't you believe them? :)
  10. AppleFan1984 macrumors 6502

    May 6, 2010
  11. Yamcha macrumors 68000

    Mar 6, 2008
    This is stupid, first of all not every Samsung Tablet or Phone has the same UI and Design as Apple..

    I can understand the banning of certain models though.. Samsung is clearly just trying to annoy Apple at this point..
  12. M-O macrumors 6502a


    Mar 15, 2011
    Samsung keeps requesting to see items that don't exist... (iPhone 5).
    i hope they keep trying. this is just entertaining. next, they should ask to see iCar.
  13. Consultant macrumors G5


    Jun 27, 2007
    Samsung is running of ideas. Enjoy your injunction!
  14. SockRolid macrumors 68000


    Jan 5, 2010
    Almost Rock Solid
    All Your Patent Are Belong To Us

    Two words: "clueless flailing."

    Samsung will go ballistic if and when Apple rolls out their TV set.
    We'll need to get lots of popcorn for that.
  15. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

    Rodimus Prime

    Oct 9, 2006
    I could easily see Apple trying this card hoping that carriers would be to chicken to go against them.

    It would be a major gamble if they are trying to cover it up because if caught they pretty much fired all their cases are tossed out and all credibility from Apple would be fried in court.
  16. gnasher729 macrumors G5


    Nov 25, 2005
    You could see that? I'm sure Apple's lawyers are well paid, but not well enough paid to risk disbarment and jail time. I'm sure the carriers are afraid of Apple, but they wouldn't be afraid anymore during the next contract negotiations if they had that kind of dirt on Apple. And maybe _you_ could easily see Apple lying in court, but I couldn't. Not if there was no risk being caught, and definitely not if being caught was practically unavoidable.
  17. DesignerOnMac macrumors 6502a


    Jul 23, 2007
    I'll take my popcorn with a little butter please!
  18. *LTD* macrumors G4


    Feb 5, 2009
    You tend to envision a lot of unlikely (sometimes bordering on the absurd) scenarios.
  19. BC2009 macrumors 68000


    Jul 1, 2009
    And Google TV. Steve Jobs laughing hard on the other side.
  20. charlituna macrumors G3


    Jun 11, 2008
    Los Angeles, CA
    I was thinking the same thing. Argue the terms are anti-competive and ask the court to set up a review by a 3rd party to see if the terms are present. But Samsung would never see the contracts in full.


    They will just do what they are doing now and claim that Apple didn't properly license patents key to tv tech. Apple will counter that they tried and were refused and since they are key patents they fall under FRAND and Samsung shouldn't have refused them. Or that they bought their components from a company that licensed the patents to make the parts and thus Apple doesn't have to pay and Samsung is trying to double dip which is unfair and unreasonable and also a violation of FRAND
  21. MacinDoc macrumors 68020


    Mar 22, 2004
    The Great White North
    How could you "easily" see this? It would be a huge gamble for Apple and its lawyers, for minimal benefit. The only way you make this bluff is if you are 100% certain that nobody will call it. And anyway, if you do make this claim, every carrier has you by the cajones in the next round of negotiations. So, in other words, it would be the dumbest legal and negotiating move ever.

    Maybe you could try to turn the bias in your comments down a few notches. It's okay to believe that the sun doesn't shine out of Apple's backside, but that doesn't mean that Steve Jobs was the Antichrist and Apple's employees and contractors his evil minions.
  22. ekdor, Nov 12, 2011
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