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Apple Censors 'Ninjawords Dictionary' iPhone Application

Discussion in 'iOS Blog Discussion' started by clevin, Aug 5, 2009.

  1. macrumors G3

    clevin

    #1
    http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/05/apples-new-low-censoring-a-dictionary/#continued
    http://daringfireball.net/2009/08/ninjawords
     
  2. macrumors 6502

    #2
    Completely ridiculous.

    I'm not giving up my iphone anytime soon, but Apple will definitely lose some degree of market share from people willing to move to more open or at least better policy defined platforms like Android and Palm. Google and Palm are more than happy to pick up and capitalize on all the apps and functionality Apple seems to be willing to give away. Case in point, the Google Voice apps that were pulled.
     
  3. macrumors 68040

    KingYaba

    #3
    That's pretty pathetic.
     
  4. macrumors bot

    MacRumors

    #4
    Apple Censors 'Ninjawords Dictionary' iPhone Application

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    Daring Fireball's John Gruber reports on the case of Ninjawords Dictionary [App Store, $1.99], a dictionary application for the iPhone based on Wiktionary offering a high-quality user experience and information content that was recently approved by Apple for inclusion in the App Store. Unfortunately, Apple's approval process for the application required several months and multiple rounds of refinement for the application, ultimately resulting the application carrying a "17+" age rating and also lacking a number of words deemed "objectionable" by Apple's reviewers.
    Gruber's lengthy post details the seemingly ridiculous hoops the application's developers jumped through to win Apple's approval, from adding the mature age rating to preventing "objectionable" words from appearing as suggestions for partial word matches when searching to finally removing the "objectionable" words entirely. A number of the words that Apple objected to and have been removed from the application also carry entirely non-objectionable definitions, and it is unclear why those entire entries were required to be removed instead of merely the offending definitions for those words.
    Article Link: Apple Censors 'Ninjawords Dictionary' iPhone Application
     
  5. macrumors 68020

    ouimetnick

    #5
    Apple's own dictionary on OS X. has the definition for words like F*ck, a*s, b*tch and more. Apple must remove safari from the iPhone , as anyone can view porn and bad things on Safari on the iPhone.

    DUMB Apple! ;:)mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
     
  6. Moderator

    dejo

    Staff Member

    #6
    Sounds very similar to the hoops that my company, Another Roadside Attraction, had to jump through in order to get our craigslist app, [app]CraigsHarvest[/app], approved. It took over two months of back and forth with Apple to finally get it OKed. First, we had to remove the Personals and Erotic Services categories (this was back in December before craigslist moved Erotic to Adult and way before ratings; we've been allowed to include those in our latest version). That wasn't sufficient, though. We also had to prevent the user from using search terms of profane words. And we had to guess what that list of objectionable words was. Apple never gave us any direction as to what that might be, other than to provide specific examples of searches that weren't allowed. We could never get an answer to the question "what are all the other words you find objectionable?".
     
  7. macrumors 6502a

    #7
    The App approval process must go through a series of people who are oblivious to the rest of the world around them. I love my Mac, but I am beginning to think that Apple is run by a bunch of people with their heads buried in ** Censored ;) **.
     
  8. macrumors member

    #8
    Someone needs to put an end to this pointless "REVIEW" process apple has in place..

    they are Playing "God" and for some reasons i see why but they are taking their power and going too far!
     
  9. macrumors 6502

    #9
    what's next? i can't type those words in "Notes" or "Calendar"? can i? i better double check...
     
  10. Administrator

    Doctor Q

    Staff Member

    #10
    This is extremely draconian of Apple. I wonder if the bad publicity will get them to change their minds.

    In the meantime, I guess Urban Dictionary isn't going to become an iPhone app anytime soon.
     
  11. macrumors 6502a

    rockosmodurnlif

    #11
    Well, there'd never be a George Carlin app.
     
  12. macrumors regular

    #12
    Let's say there's a set of criteria for rating an app. And let's say that criteria states that the use of certain language is grounds for a higher rating.

    If an app has its rating increased for using this language -- even if it's only to define it -- this isn't being oblivious, it's being consistent.

    Besides -- this isn't a set in-memory dictionary with content developed and controlled by Ninja -- it's a window on user generated content. If an app is based on user content, and that content isn't policed, technically there's no way to judge that app's age appropriateness. Similar to the "ESRB will change when you go online" warning with games, once you enter an unpoliced environment the complexity of maintaining age propriety increases dramatically. I could, for example, visit the Wiktionary site and edit the entry for "feather" to include an erotic example. It's likely that the entry would be reverted -- but not guaranteed, and certainly can't be guaranteed by the app's authors.

    Of course, they could likely offer an in-memory dictionary with the same functionality, omit the naughty bits and obtain a different rating...but that would require owning the distribution rights to the content.

    In the end, though, who gives a ****. If a parent has to clear their child's purchase of an application, that's about as much of a censorship issue as their having to sign a permission slip for them to watch an R rated movie.
     
  13. macrumors newbie

    #13
    Apple are starting to piss me off to be honest with their stupid review process. I hope the FCC gives them more stick and make them change their tunes (pun intended)!!
     
  14. Eso
    macrumors 68000

    Eso

    #14
    It's clear that the only solution that will make every party happy is sllowing apps to be purchased and downloaded directly from the developers and imported directly into iTunes.

    Apple wins because they can approve/reject any app they want without everyone getting into a big fuss.

    Developers win because they don't have to submit to Apples subject review to reach their market.

    Consumers win because they won't be limited to apps deemed appropriate by a coporation.
     
  15. macrumors 6502a

    #15
    Well then they should apply that same consistency to Safari. It is an App that gets content outside its own code. If they are going to police everyone else who creates an app that gathers content, then they need to police themselves. And stay consistent.
    But wait there is another side to the coin. USE SOME JUDGEMENT!!. Obviously Apple feels that it is ridiculous to police Safari given it is a web browser. Well then they need to find a way to allow content delivery apps by posting, as you said, a "rating may change" warning when you go to download it. Otherwise, they need to back off, and leave these developers alone.
     
  16. Administrator

    Doctor Q

    Staff Member

    #16
    It's not clear to me.

    If the approval process protects me from faulty, misadvertised, or malicious software, or produces ratings that help me make informed choices, I don't mind Apple's approval process, even if it causes release delays. Buying directly sounds tempting but could invite risks I'd rather avoid.

    On the other hand, if Apple prevents me from buying apps I might want, or causes developers to remove features of their apps I might want to use, then Apple's heavy-handedness is hurting me as a consumer.

    It's the latter case for anyone who wanted to buy this dictionary app.
     
  17. macrumors newbie

    #17
    So... let me see...

    So... let me see...
    I can't view "dirty" words on my iPhone, but I can open the Dictionary app that comes with EVERY MAC and see all the "dirty" words I want??
    Can Apple be any more hypocritical??

    WTF?
     
  18. macrumors 6502a

    #18
    I think you miss the point of why Apple does this. They don't want unapproved apps being loaded onto the phone. 2 main reasons. They don't want malicious code being anywhere near the iPhone and secondly they want control of the outward appearance of the phone's contents. In other words, by approving the apps, they guarantee the users showing off their iphone will be showing off only what they know they have cleared. Keeps the waters clean so to speak. Not that I agree with part 2 though.
     
  19. macrumors 68000

    pimentoLoaf

    #19
    The gov't's investigation of Apple over App approval can come none too soon.
     
  20. macrumors 68030

    #20
    Apple's app review panel needs a good sorting out frankly. It's a shambles.

    Phazer
     
  21. slu
    macrumors 68000

    slu

    #21
    The main reason Apple does this is to get their 30%.

    What is happening now is downright ludicrous. The GV Mobile episode drove me to jailbreak, and I am glad I did. I only use two apps from Cydia (Cycorder and GV Mobile), but just the satisfaction that I can do what I want with MY phone is worth it. And how easy it is to do. I knew it was easy, but I didn't think it would be that easy.
     
  22. Eso
    macrumors 68000

    Eso

    #22
    Apps would still be available in the App Store, subject to Apple's approval, but they wouldn't be exlusive to the Appe store alone.

    If a developers app gets rejected, they could simply offer it through their own channels and fund their own advertising, distributing, etc.

    If functionality of an app is restricted on the App store, the developer could also market it through their own efforts, which would be great for apps like Skype, Slingplayer, etc.

    Apps are still produced with the official SDK. It's nice that they want to keep malicious code out (has any app EVER been rejected from the app store for malicious code?), but that is their store. I don't need Apple to babysit me so I don't get malicous code on my iPhone. Luckily the App store would still exist for those that do.

    Obviously this is just where they are plain wrong, but I agree that it is rather the motivation to make the 30% commission. Apple is too stubborn to change on their own, so hopefully the FCC inquiry and this type of press will force their hand.
     
  23. macrumors 68000

    Silencio

    #23
    How exactly does the FCC have jurisdiction over the App Store WRT a dictionary app? And even if they did, you think they would go after Apple for not allowing naughty words? :rolleyes:

    Agreed that Apple is really doing a horrible job with the App Store and the app approval process in general. They need to be a lot more clear, communicative, and consistent with developers as to what is acceptable and what is not, and they should give developers specific advice on how to fix their apps.

    Couldn't a dictionary app in theory tie in to the parental controls in iPhone 3.0 and block the "bad" words from users who are parentally controlled? Couldn't the developers add that functionality to their app?

    On the other hand, we all know what would happen if Apple let an app like this through with the "bad" words intact: some high school kid would look up said words, their parents would find out about it, they'd run to their lawyer and attempt to sue the pants off of Apple.
     
  24. macrumors regular

    #24
    LOL, snoop dog got an app... I'd tell apple to stick it up their *** but they would not be able to define what that was.
     
  25. macrumors Penryn

    rdowns

    #25

    Then why do all Macs ship with Dictionary.app and all its "objectionable" words?
     

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