Apple, Dell, Lenovo To Develop Battery Standards

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  1. macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    In the wake of Dell's recall of 4.1 million Lithium Ion batteries and multiple embarassing incidents of both Dell and Apple laptops catching fire, AppleInsider is reporting that Apple, Dell, and Lenovo will be holding a summit next month to develop lithium ion (Li-Ion) standards. All 3 companies are members of the IPC OEM Critical Components Committee which create standards for various electronic devices.

    Apple has historically used Li-Ion batteries in its iBook and PowerBook laptops, but has opted for Lithium Polymer batteries (Li-Poly) in its MacBook and MacBook Pro computers. One of the apparent advantages of Li-Poly batteries is reduced combustability. Apple still uses Li-Ion batteries in its current model iPods however.

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  2. macrumors 68030


    Mar 14, 2005
    I hope Sony is also in attendance. They should really pick up the bill for all of this battery b/s. As much as I dislike Dell products, their reputation (and bank balance) has taken a pounding in the consumer eye all because Sony messed up.
  3. macrumors 68030


    May 27, 2006
    Miami, FL
    I figured Dell would decide to do this, and Apple and Lenovo perhaps should as well.
  4. macrumors 6502


    Apr 5, 2005
    Salt Lake City, UT
  5. macrumors 6502

    Jan 26, 2004
    label me ignorant but what did sony do exactly?
  6. macrumors 6502a


    Apr 1, 2005
    Lincoln, NE
    So by "standardizing design" do they mean "interchangeable"? Or is it just a common internal design?
  7. macrumors newbie

    Oct 28, 2005
  8. macrumors 65816


    Jan 22, 2005
    The MacBook Pro had its MagSafe (MagUnsafe that is ;) ) fire problem.


    I'm pretty sure that this problem was corrected prior to the MacBook's release but I'm not so sure if you can be guaranteed that a fire cannot be caused by MagSafe again.
  9. macrumors 65816


    Apr 26, 2004
    Standard: Batteries should not explode.

    "OK, what else do we need to discuss while everyone's here?"
  10. macrumors 601


    Feb 4, 2004
    Florida Resident
    That image [MagSafe] was the Cat Pee issue. I remember that thread a long time ago.
  11. aly
    macrumors member

    Jul 3, 2006

    I'm surprised these standards were not already in place to be honest! The chemicals used in Li-ion batteries are indeed very combustible. Anyone ever seen lithium when placed in water? Its explosive and quite exciting to watch. I'm not entirely surprised weve seen such problems with companies trying to get as much power out of batteries as possible yet keeping sizes down. To answer someones question above, the batteries were produced by sony, and to answer another, standards generally means internal workings such as acceptable heat output, ability to cope with short circuits etc, to avoid these problems happening again.

    I'm just glad i haven't had any problems and my lap is still intact!!

  12. macrumors 6502a


    Apr 13, 2006
    This is very good news.

    1. The big boys are not acting like boys and going it alone again.
    2. This should drive up quality and down prices.
    3. It should free up resources for true development like lifespan, weight, etc
    4. It reminds me that Apple is committed to top notch hardware as well as software.
  13. macrumors 68020


    Apr 23, 2006
    What feels like the middle of nowhere
    I remember the magsafe catching fire, but I dont remember anything about cat pee! Could you fill me in??


    On topic... I think it's pretty good news, and Dell and Apple working together... gosh :rolleyes:
  14. macrumors 68030


    Mar 14, 2005

    It's Sony batteries that are blowing up, not Dell batteries.

    What's worse is that both companies knew of the problem in 2005, before anything actually spontaneously combusted.

    As this engadget article says, it's lucky for both companies that nobody was seriously injured or killed.
  15. Editor emeritus


    Jul 10, 2003
    Falls Church, VA
    Yes, Sony has issues too, but Dell has had more than one Inspiron blow up on them, so it is innaccurate to say that Dell batteries are not blowing up.
  16. macrumors 65816


    Feb 4, 2006
    Way off topic: I wonder how many people have commited suicide because of the frustration of Microsoft! You'd think of the what....3 billion people that use computers one would have had to!

    On Topic: Why would Apple need to attend? I thought that was the point of switching to the new batteries that the MacBooks and MacBook Pros.
  17. macrumors 68030


    Mar 14, 2005
    But aren't all the batteries in all the laptops in question (Dell, Apple etc) ultimately made by Sony?
  18. macrumors 6502a

    Jun 12, 2004
    Omaha, NE

    Because the shape of the battery in laptops, camcorders, mp3 players & other battery powered items it would be hard to make them easily replaceable. Could you imagine Apple making their PoerBook or IntelMacBook Pro thicker because the larger group in the laptop area says or got it passed that laptop batteries would be 7/8' or maybe even 1" thick. Or would the thicker laptops in the Windows areana accept the thin batteris that Apple uses. Even Apple, which designs, but does not build, their laptops have a different battery for each size of screen. Someimes they change the battery within that category. Like the PowerBook to the Intel PowerBook Pro. Same case, but they use a diferent battery.

    This wuld lead us to believe that they are just talking about just a common internal design. This I'm sure would help reliability, to help our laptops perform better & more safely. Interchangable would make things easier for the end user, like using you battery from your 17" PowerBook in your 17" Core 2 Duo, or maybe even something like a Core 4 Duo. Even greater wuld be if you could bring your extra batteries from you Windows laptop to your new Intel MacBook Pro when you decide to upgrade platforms as well as computer.

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  19. macrumors G3


    Apr 30, 2004
    yeah, the cells are, but the charging system, which was blamed in Dell's case, was not a Sony thing: it was Dell.

    but i think there was a big element of pointing fingers.

    i rekon independant enquiry, and find out what's to blame. if it's the cells, then charge sony. if not, charge dell. simple.
  20. macrumors member


    Oct 27, 2005
    Because they still use Li-ion batteries in iPods.
  21. macrumors newbie

    Feb 27, 2006
    Actually it's entirely accurate to say that Dell batteries are not blowing up - every one of the batteries that have been recalled were made by Sony, not Dell. The fact that they were in Dell laptops at the time does not make them DEll batteries
  22. macrumors 603

    Aug 15, 2001
    The Cool Part of CA, USA
    About time some companies sat down and worked out some quality control standards for batteries. 'Specially Li-Ion, with their potential to go boom.

    I do find it moderately amusing that there were complaints all over the place about Apple's poor quality control or whatever after some of their new batteries didn't perform well (not explode, mind you, just not performing well), and I specifically read several things pointing to Dell as an example of a company that didn't have battery problems. Then Dell issues a recall of 4 million batteries because they're specifically a hazard.

    Point not being that Apple is without flaw, but that everybody has trouble with batteries from time to time, and "my MacBook won't accept a full charge" isn't quite the same as "my Inspiron blew up". Plus the numbers are an order of magnitude larger--Apple's recall consisted of 100K or 200K batteries, right?
  23. macrumors 68000


    Feb 17, 2006
    Keele, United Kingdom
    Try caesium or francium ;) .

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  24. macrumors 65816


    Aug 1, 2000
    Los Angeles, CA
    well. i just hope they manage to work it out so no one out here, like us. every have to worry about our batteries, aside from battery life.

    though if they could get rid of batteries limited recharge life, that would be awesome.
  25. JAT
    macrumors 603

    Dec 31, 2001
    Mpls, MN
    I hope not. Their record in collaborations like this is dismal. Better that the others come up with something and just send the specs to Sony to make the batteries.

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