Apple Hires Nokia's Lumia Photography Lead to Work on the iPhone's Camera

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  1. macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Apple has hired Nokia's Lumia photography chief Ari Partinen, reports Engadget. Partinen stated on his Twitter that he will be "starting a new chapter in Cupertino" this June, later confirming that he will join Apple.

    The Nokia 808 PureView with 41MP sensor

    According to Partinen's LinkedIn biography, his responsibilities at Nokia included "working with image quality characterization and tuning on camera module level", while handling camera component production and quality control on a global scale. Partinen also lists the Nokia's 808 PureView and Nokia N8 as devices he has worked on, which were regarded for their noteworthy photographic capabilities.

    Partinen's hire comes as Apple is reportedly looking to bolster the next-generation iPhone's camera through optical image stabilization and other improvements. Nokia has focused heavily on the advantages of the camera's on its devices throughout the past few years, recently launching the Nokia Lumia 1520 with a 20 MP PureView camera.

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  2. macrumors 603


    Oct 13, 2008
    Everywhere And Nowhere
    I just say that Apple is on the move for something big.
  3. macrumors 604

    Apr 23, 2011
    GVA, KUL, MEL (current), ZQN
    Let me guess, a 41MP PureView from the Lumia 1020 will soon make its way into the iPhone.
  4. macrumors 65816


    Jun 18, 2012
  5. macrumors 68030


    Feb 25, 2014
    New Zealand
  6. macrumors G5


    Nov 25, 2005
    Great for Nokia engineers if Apple is hiring. Always a good move to go to a company that has a future.
  7. macrumors member

    Jul 22, 2011
    I hope so - the 808 Pureview was a stunning camera, only let down by its end of life operating system.

    I'm glad you realise how good it is - I'm sick of all the willingly uninformed idiots on here having a go just for it having 41mp, where they refuse to see the obvious benefits of its 5mp resampled output.

    Nokia is a real leader in camera technology, and it'll be cool to see that technology spread.
  8. macrumors 604

    Apr 23, 2011
    GVA, KUL, MEL (current), ZQN
    Symbian marked the demise of Nokia, until Windows Phone swooped in and saved their bacon.

    I went for the 1020 alongside my iPhone 5s because:

    1. It's running on WP, which actually works pretty well in corporate environments. Android's a mess.
    2. The camera. Supersampling is a good technology, but being able to shoot in RAW (DNG) is even better. Plus, the manual controls are easy to use (although I still love my 5D Mk3's controls).

    So far, I love the results of my Lumia's camera, especially with Nokia Camera and Smart Cam.

    Even Stephen Alvarez, a National Geographic photographer, uses a 1020 himself for pro assignments.
  9. yjchua95, May 9, 2014
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    macrumors 604

    Apr 23, 2011
    GVA, KUL, MEL (current), ZQN
    Pit the Lumia 1020 against any smartphone camera and the Lumia will blow everything out of the water.

    Pit the iPhone 5S against the Galaxy S4/S5 and the iPhone still wins. It's not about the pixels - it's about the saturation, sharpness, color accuracy, contrast....etc.

    I'm a full-time photographer myself, and I've tried Samsung's phone cameras. They can come close to that of the iPhone's, but can't really beat it.

    But then, pit anything against the Lumia 1020 and they'll all lose.
  10. macrumors member

    Jul 18, 2013
    maybe we'll get some thickness back for the iphone after all ;)
  11. macrumors regular


    Nov 22, 2011
    Nokia made two major breakthroughs in phone cameras:

    1. Lumia 1020 (and PureView 808) with 41MP camera that downscales to 5MP - resulting in super-sharp and highly detailed photos.

    2. Lumias 92x / 15x0 with great low light cameras thanks to optical image stabilisation (OIS).

    #1 wouldn't suit Apple thanks to a requirement for an enormously thick sensor, #2 is something they are rumoured to have already for iPhone 6.

    So there must be something else they hired him for? :confused:

    P.S. Nokia cameras with OIS aren't that great in daylight - iPhone 4S and newer still beat them.
  12. Moderator


    Staff Member

    May 3, 2009
    Wow, big win for Apple and big loss for MS. Nokia's phones are noted for their great cameras. While the iPhone camera is good, I think its competitors have eclipsed them
  13. macrumors 6502


    Sep 17, 2012
    Wales, UK
    iPhone 5S cam does not beat the S5 camera, i own both and S5 is way ahead in detail and colours.
  14. macrumors 603

    Jun 7, 2011
    I wish this was true... however, due to physical constraints, it's highly improbable the thin iPhone ever gets a large sensor. Large sensors mean thickness; this is what Apple would never allow in their handsets.
  15. macrumors 604

    Apr 23, 2011
    GVA, KUL, MEL (current), ZQN
    Not really, I did a test with my iPhone 5S and Lumia 1020 and found that the 1020 totally trashed the iPhone in everything else except some situations in low light, where the white balance went nuts and put a yellowish tinge.

    That said, it's a small issue as the 1020 can shoot in DNG, allowing the user to extract the raw 38MP image and change the white balance in Photoshop.
  16. macrumors 603

    Jun 7, 2011
    ...and the 1020...

    Yup - that's a problem, as I've pointed out above.

    Depends. The 920 indeed didn't have great image quality. The 1020, however, easily beats iPhones in most respects except for WB (before the latest upgrades), speed and sweep pano.
  17. macrumors 68000


    Apr 18, 2010
    Well, that was bound to happen, engineers scattering to other companies.

    Nokia's Lumia cameras have bad camera quality. There is something wrong with their software algorithms, images have this "fuzz" when at 100% resolution.

    Their Symbian cameras were always ahead of time though, Nokia 808 PureView is still unmatched and I doubt it'll be matched any time soon.

    Apple needs to get Juha Alakarhu and Damian Dinning too, before Samsung hires them.
  18. macrumors 604

    Apr 23, 2011
    GVA, KUL, MEL (current), ZQN
    The 1020's WB problems started after the Amber update. The Black update didn't fully fix it either, so in low light, I adjust the WB manually to eliminate the yellow tinge issue.
  19. macrumors 603

    Jun 7, 2011
    Won't happen. Unfortunately - again, it's the lack of thickness that makes it impossible to put a large sensor in the iPhone.
  20. macrumors regular


    Apr 24, 2007
    Manchester, UK
  21. macrumors 68030


    Apr 13, 2010
    Bedfordshire, UK
    His hiring comes a little too late for iPhone 6.

    Maybe we will see some progress with the iPhone 6s in late 2015?
  22. macrumors 603

    Jun 7, 2011
    While I do know you're a die-hard 808 fan and an opponent of anything Windows Phone, let me disagree: the 1020 delivers what one can realistically expect of such a sensor.

    Of course, it has some additional problems (mainly, WB), but if you shoot RAW (DNG), those can be easily fixed in PP (where you yourself set the WB).

    Yup, won't be matched - Apple will never release a "thick" iPhone.

    Damian Dinning isn't exactly an engineer - he's more of a camera enthusiast / evangelist.
  23. macrumors 6502a


    Jan 10, 2006
    I'm guessing the same. This is always why i wait for S version.

    Apple is finally making some big moves and acquisitions. It's going to be interesting next year.
  24. macrumors regular

    Aug 23, 2004
    No one needs 41MP in a phone. Will avoid it if Apple put one in an iPhone.
  25. macrumors 604


    Mar 26, 2008
    and thank god for that! so bulky ... if i want to take awesome vacation pics etc i take my real camera. the phone camera is good enough for random instagram snaps

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