Apple Investigating iBeacon-Assisted Mobile Payment Methods

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    Apple's iBeacon technology based on the Bluetooth LE standard is being installed in Apple Stores and other retail outlets to assist customers and send them promotions while shopping, but as noted by Patently Apple, a newly published patent application suggests this technology could also be used to send secure mobile payments while making purchases.

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    Patent application number 20140019367, filed in September 2012 and published today, describes a method that would send payment data through various wireless interfaces without compromising the user's data. The method uses two links -- one connection to a point-of-sale device to establish the initial connection and a second, secure connection that sends the payment information. This payment information is then processed by a backend server, which uses a shared secret to verify that the connection was secure before it authorizes the payment.
    The payment method described in the patent may use NFC as well as Bluetooth and Wi-Fi to connect the mobile device to the point-of-sale terminal. Though iBeacon is not directly named in the patent, it is easy to see how the technology could be used as the conduit for the secure Bluetooth connection. Apple even notes in the patent that NFC "is less desirable for longer transactions," while Wi-Fi or Bluetooth has "more desirable characteristics for maintaining the link over time than NFC."

    The use of Apple's iBeacon technology, rolled out alongside iOS 7, is expected to increase over the coming year as other retailers such as Macy's have begun piloting the Bluetooth LE technology. Most recently, the Consumer Electronics Association used iBeacons for a scavenger hunt at CES 2014, while Major League Baseball will be bringing the technology to stadiums.

    Article Link: Apple Investigating iBeacon-Assisted Mobile Payment Methods
     
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    This seems better than NFC implementation. Is that just me?
     
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    Better yes.

    In either case, I'm not sure I trust retailers to implement securely. :/

    Starbucks, Neiman, Target, huge numbers of banks all flubbing up.
     
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    Not sure that this would be related at all to iBeacon. iBeacon is one direction of transmission, from the beacon outward to devices listening for an iBeacon packet. It's not meant for establishing a "link" between devices or as a replacement for NFC, rather simply alerting nearby devices of its presence.
     
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    It can be used to initiate apps.

    See Paypal's handsfree payment.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8h_i8qv1FY

    iBeacon triggers paypal app, reports to paypal you have authenticated and are near x iBeacon. It sends your details to the POS system at that location so the retailer can recognize you. Or some such activity.
     
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    Considering Starbucks just admitted to storing unencrypted customer data, and Target's Black Friday fiasco, your concern is extremely valid.
     
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    This could be big for drive through mobile payments and for people using iPad's as payment kiosks. NFC is fine if you are a huge retailer and can install a card reader terminal/nfc reader at every register, but many small businesses are using iPads along with Square/Paypal/etc. I've even been to a local barbershop that used a service specific to hairstylists as it recorded client data in their app as well (Hairstyle data...not CC info.)

    These places could easily have a software layer added to do this without purchasing extra hardware required for NFC.

    And for drive-thru payments you no longer have to dangle your phone out the window to scan a barcode (Like at starbucks) or hand it to a cashier, you just open the "Payment" app and confirm your purchase.
     
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    Hear that sound? Thats the death cry of NFC
     
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    Maybe this in combo with Passbook and Touch ID will be Apple's mobile payments answer. It sounds like a more secure implementation than NFC. Maybe a future iOS 8 or 9 feature...
     
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    Has anyone tried the ibeacons at an Apple Store? I was at a store about two weeks ago, but had bluetooth turned off so did not experience it. I am interested to see how this is working in the wild even before the payment issue shows up.
     
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    Please. Bluetooth LE (low energy) is not iBeacon.

    iBeacon is just that: A beacon which sends out its id and two fixed numbers to anyone willing to listen. It cannot receive anything. It cannot process mobile payments. It cannot send anything other than the id and two fixed numbers.
     
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    On the phone maybe; here in UK you are no longer able to get a bank card from any major bank without NFC built in.
     
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    Why are they investigating? Did someone steal a iBeacon prototype at a bar?
     
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    Of course. This was phone related. NFC in mobiles brought forth alot of "futuristic" ideas about a phone + wallet solution. That never kicked off. Which is too bad, really.

    Here in Norway, most card terminals support NFC. But all the major card holders is still sticking to the not so old chip solution. Atleast that magnet stripe is completley phased out. Cards that does not require a PIN, however is in most cases NFC.

    So for passive devices, there is life for NFC.

    Then again, multiple standards is rare. So my swift conclusion on iBeacons succes, is probably wrong.
     
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    Exactly, this more like a copy of Samsung's "Group Play" where you can broadcast your screen onto select devices around you. Great for a work environment.

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    Well the UK is a lot more forward thinking than the Americans.
     
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    Nonsense. NFC is built into more than smartphones. And as mentioned in the article, 'iBeacon' may well use NFC. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
     
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    Yep, I'm convinced that at some future Apple event, Tim will be saying "In conjunction with Mastercard and Visa....." and announcing some new payment system, more than likely made up of elements of Passbook, iBeacons and TouchID.

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    Have you ever used it though? I've had an NFC credit card for years, the only place I've seen advertising they accept payment that way is McDonalds drive-thru. I'm sure others exist, but no-one seems to be pushing it. Result is I've never used the NFC ability. I have used Passbook twice today though.
     
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    If this is Contactless, then yes, I use it at Waitrose all the time - disorganised most weeks to have done all my shopping and need to pop in for top up stuff, less than £20..
     
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    They better make this thing really secure.
     
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    Yup! But this article and patent isn't about what you've shown, or what I was talking about.
     
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    If you look at the diagram this actually uses NFC.
     
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    I like that Apple is improving their POS technology. :p
     
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    In UK its available for use in almost (all?) major stores/coffee chains etc.

    Never used it, don't want to use it. Every bank I have asked has refused to issue card without it.

    IMHO, a pain. Several times I've attempted to use credit card with chip to make payment and been refused because retailers terminal is also seeing NFC on a different card in my wallet. This has strayed too close to reader, amount is greater than you are 'allowed' to make using NFC and its got 'confused':(

    See any number of stories about retailers terminal reading NFC at far longer distances that the 3-6cm in the story.
     
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    Hey Hey Hey! You can't go on an Apple forum and call the iProducts Pieces of S***! Oh wait, that's what everyone does.
     
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    Anything to avoid having to make an NFC antenna work with their aluminum phones.

    Square works so well for me I can't imagine what else is needed. That is, until Square gets seriously hacked.
     

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