Apple Patent Applications Address User-to-User Resale and Lending of iTunes Store Content

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  1. macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    A set of patent applications discovered by AppleInsider today suggests that Apple may be considering allowing customers to resell or lend iTunes Store content to other users in the same way they might sell a physical book, music CD or movie DVD.

    Apple's system is similar to one outlined in a separate patent already granted to Amazon, although Amazon's approach requires transactions to be made via a central marketplace while Apple's proposed approach would also allow direct user-to-user transfers.
    Restrictions are outlined to prevent abuse of the facility, such as allowing publishers to limit transfers to certain timescales (for example, requiring the user to have owned the product for a certain length of time before selling it), frequency (limiting how often someone could sell their content), price (enforcing a minimum price) and buyer (perhaps limiting sales to within the country of origin).

    The patent covers gifting and loan as well as resale, and outlines an option for the content publisher to receive a cut in return for granting rights to transfer the content.

    It should of course be noted that Apple files a huge number of patent applications, only a tiny minority of which ever see the light of day in an Apple product or service, but it is interesting to see Apple at least exploring the idea.

    Article Link: Apple Patent Applications Address User-to-User Resale and Lending of iTunes Store Content
  2. macrumors 6502


    Dec 22, 2008
    Tampa, FL
    I use Home Sharing all the time to lend my iTunes content to family and friends. So I think this is a great idea.
  3. macrumors 68020


    Aug 15, 2011
    If this ever goes through, I bet the resale will happen through iTunes and Apple will get some share of that resale. Even though the article says user-to-user, I doubt it will happen.
  4. macrumors member

    Apr 30, 2005
    i was just thinking about this the other day! yes!!
  5. macrumors 68000


    Jul 1, 2010
    Yet more DRM. Thanks but no thanks, Apple. I will continue to buy nothing from the iStore.

  6. macrumors regular

    Jun 12, 2009
    Yes!!!! This right here, this is what we need in this digital age. I miss reading a book or hearing a song and not being able to say to my brother or a good friend, "Have you read So&So? No? Here's my copy, you might enjoy their work."

    Content needs to be payed for, I completely agree with this, otherwise there is no incentive to create. But paid content also needs to be shared, so that enjoyment of the experience can be shared. In the world we live in today, I can lend you a book, and authors and publishers seem to be doing okay: the same should apply with this digital model.

    I hope Apple gets this functionality.
  7. macrumors 65816


    Feb 26, 2010
    Sweden & California
  8. macrumors member

    Jun 27, 2007
    YES!!!!! We should be able to sell our Apple TV movies, books, music and stuff
  9. macrumors 68000


    Mar 7, 2012
    resale or lend digital content ? now thats interesting and something that we can all benefit from.

    just don't let samsung knows about this.
  10. macrumors 6502a


    Apr 30, 2008
    Reselling of books could be a brilliant idea.

    Split the profit on the resell between you and Apple/publisher and there would be an army of used book salesman out there pushing their old books onto friends. Could be win win all around.
  11. macrumors 6502

    Jun 18, 2011
  12. macrumors P6

    Jun 22, 2009
    Why? Samsung could copy Amazon and Kindle's lending library if they need to model it after something.

    Now obviously - this goes beyond book lending. But it's not like the model is foreign.
  13. macrumors 65816


    Mar 11, 2009
    A crucial consideration is intra-family transfer. Ability to give my digital content to wife or kids is important, especially when you consider issues of metabolic cessation.
  14. macrumors 68030


    Oct 19, 2010
    Buffalo, NY
    Way to go! Finding something negative!
  15. macrumors P6

    Jun 22, 2009
    Negative perhaps - but realistic.
  16. macrumors 68020

    May 20, 2011
    I can see trading movies or books with a friend for a small fee that Apple gets.

    Eg. I want to trade SuperBad for Office Space. Apple charges me and my friend $5 each. Apple makes $3, gives publishers $7. I have a movie at a much lower cost than buying new ($20). Apple and publishers still make some money.

    But I can't see why they would allow resale. It's not like printed material where there is a significant cost of production to be saved by reselling. Digital content costs almost nothing once created.
  17. macrumors 68000


    Mar 7, 2012
    I was referring to this news

    where at a certain point samsung would activate the copy and paste function to what apple would and have done.
  18. macrumors regular

    Apr 16, 2008
    Houston TX
    I don't see how content owners would sign up for this. If my memory serves me correctly most of the license and contract you have when you buy digital goods state your just buying a license to use their product you don't actually own a copy.
  19. macrumors P6

    Jun 22, 2009
    This remains why I am still a fan of physical media. Color me old school. I love to stream stuff. I even like renting a movie. But having my purchased media in the cloud or on a hard drive that is locked to a provider isn't my thing.

    Here's your scenario in my preferred process. I buy a dvd or blu-ray (which is the same if not less than iTunes) and if a friend wants to borrow it - I lend it to them. And I/my friend doesn't have to pay for that privilege.

    I know what you're referring to. Irrelevant.
  20. iGrip, Mar 7, 2013
    Last edited: Mar 7, 2013

    macrumors 68000


    Jul 1, 2010
    If the authors and publishers had their way, public libraries would be just as illegal as any other sort of distribution that they cannot make a profit from.

    Look at the history of the First Sale Doctrine.

    And you don't need additional DRM to lend your digital copies to your friend. Not yet, anyways. You are free to do so any time you wish, with no legal repercussions, no thanks to the authors and the publishers.

    This new thing by apple will NOT increase your ability to do anything. It will only put additional screws into consumers.
  21. macrumors 6502a

    Sep 21, 2009
    I'd love to see this happen. I'd even give Apple 30% because if they facilitate this and make it easy to do then it's worth it. Everyone benefits. Right now there's no way to resell anything I buy digitally (content) like there is with DVD/BluRay/CD. Bargain hunters can find what they are looking for cheaper and some people can raise some extra cash if they need it. Probably would spur people into trying things they wouldn't have tried otherwise.

    I saw the article about Amazon's approach earlier. I'm just glad that we're reaching a point where a digital second-hand marketplace might become a reality.
  22. macrumors G3


    Jun 11, 2008
    Los Angeles, CA
    Given the year after year griping about merging apple IDs, I suspect this one is actively under work
  23. macrumors 68000


    Jul 1, 2010
    Why should I split any revenue with Apple or the publisher when I sell my old books?

    Do you have to give Chevrolet a cut when you sell your old car? If suddenly you had to sell your used car through Chevrolet's used car lot, and you had to split your money with them, would you be happy?

    If not, then why does such an scheme with digital content make you happy?
  24. macrumors regular

    Jul 31, 2009
    I was just thinking about this (this morning) today regarding selling ibooks comics that may end up going up in price or being discontinued..


    this is true but we're talking about apple.. they will find a way to take a cut
  25. macrumors P6

    Jun 22, 2009
    So Apple (and others) create a problem (which everyone loves and doesn't think it's a problem) - now they will "fix" the problem and possibly charge for it - and people will rejoice?


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