Apple Push on Education

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  1. arn
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    eWeek reports that Apple seems to be getting serious about marketing and sales for educational markets, after previous "missteps" in the market in the recent past:

    According to a companywide memo issued by Apple CEO Steve Jobs, the Cupertino, Calif., company is combining its education sales and marketing teams into one education business unit that numbers more than 750.
     
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    I think this is another piece of the puzzle to get the market share up that will prove good. I also hope it means after MWNY BIG education discounts will roll out since Im a student and need a new mac ASAP (after MW of course..):D
     
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    EDU

    While they are refocusing on education, they should really consider lowering the educational pricing on the eMac.

    Bill
     
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    Good news...Macs seem to be dissapearing these days at schools around Australia...by Dells and other stuff that are always being repaired...I mean, computer technicians wouldn't have been invented if it wasn't for PC's..
     
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    mmmdreg, the IT services ppl at our school (all wintels apart from me :) ) were criticising my mac so I said "well, if the school used macs you wouldn't have a job would you". resonse: silence...
     
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    I honestly feel that education is what's going to make Apple a bigtime contender. There was some criticism in the past about their moves, but I am convinced by doing this alone that they are guaranteeing themselves to increase their marketshare.
     
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    Education software

    The only thing is that it seems to be easier for Windows users to set up an easy-to-administer network via the multiple server offerings of Microsoft.

    For my old school's Mac network we had to turn to a third-party solution in the form of MacAdministrator to provide file serving via a reasonably-secure login procedure and provision of personal folders and application restrictions, remote shutdown/restart of clients etc.

    Now, MacAdministrator (by Hi-Resolution) is no going to OS X any time soon, being stuck in OS 9 land, but they currently support some very large installations in the US. It would make sense for Apple to look into buying Hi-Resolution, or if not, to give them better info on low-level aspects of the OS. I've spent a day with the chief technician of the company and he was very unhappy about the amount that Apple would give away to them as the pre-OS X updates rolled out of the door. Obviously this shouldn't be such a problem with the new open source elements of of OS X, but Apple really needs to give a lot of support to companies like Hi-Resolution if they hope to capture the educational market again.

    Schools need a simple product to arbitrate between a server that provides the aforementioned features and also supports machines running OS X as well as those numerous early iMacs running OS 9 dotted throughout education establishments.

    If they get this right, they could have the whole thing sewn up.
     
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    I'm proud of you :)
     
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    I'm in higher Ed, so I would love to see Apple be more aggressive wiht pricing and special offers.

    No more Dells...please!:D
     
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    Too late...

    It's kind of late for Apple to be doing this. The Department of Education in my state is slowly switching to Dells.
     
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    Re: Too late...

    Yeah, the DoE in Hawai'i is kind of bassackwards...my Dad worked there for about 5 years or so.

    I only saw PCs where he worked, so I'm not surprised…although there were still Macs in the schools when I went there.
     
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    the reason that alot of schools are changing from Macs to Pc is because only a select few resellers can sell macs to education. that is why the company i work for now sells Pcs to the education field. i am sure for a fact that if we could sell Macs to education departments a whole lot of school districts around the seattle area would be running macs.. we set it all up and do everything for the school. im not sure if apple does that with thier clients or not..
     
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    I see the switch too

    At my school, we have a problem. We have all these macs, but we can't get new ones because the school wants to run AtEase on all the macs. It can't run on OS 9 or X so they won't buy new macs. They don't want students being able to mess up the computers, though I already know how to get past the stupid thing (AtEase). The new computers at my school tend to be peecee's (Dells to be exact) :mad:. I know that Apple has Remote Desktop, but does it work below OS X? Also, what apple needs is a machine like the eMac, but smaller and a LOT cheaper. The peecee's have prices so low, many schools seem to just go for those, even though they are bug-riden and stupid and are peices of @#$%. Why the heck doesn't apple just sell the original iMac at a really low price?

    P.S. It's my birthday today.
     
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    geeze, its your birthday and you are sitting on a computer?? that sucks..
     
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    Re: I see the switch too

    Tell them to run OnGuard if they want to move to 9. OS X will be secure enough with the permissions that are built in and a little reimaging every so often with Apple Software Restore.

    ARD needs to be administered from an OS X, but runs on client machines back to 8.6, I believe.

    Ed buyers need to look past the initial purchase price of the machine. The overall upkeep costs and frequent upgrades needed on the PCs makes them much less attractive in the long run. This kind of shortsightedness really pisses me off.:mad:
     
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    Dude, its fun. I wouldn't even come here if I didn't think it was fun. I know. I know. I'm a geek.

    And a Nerd.:D
     
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    Welcome to the club!:D
     
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    Yeah... RowNerd can tell you all you'd ever want to know about programming and give you witty retorts with words that havent been used since 1897...;)

    that is, unless he's too busy cuddling with jello or doing his homework (the homework part gets this thread back on track)

    NOOCH

    RowNerd can make us a graph of the prices of the high end Towers every time they were released since SJ got back to Apple...then he can interpolate the data to hypothesize on the probability of the education discount of the new towers due out at MWNY.

    :p
     
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    Homework is for non-nerds...a true nerd doesn't even study and still gets straight A's...why do you think I'm on here so much.:eek:

    And I don't really know much programming, ask mc68k about that.
     
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    Fine RowNerd you have a quasi-point.

    :rolleyes:

    but the question is: Where's the graph?

    NOOCH
     
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    No graph for you!
     
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    Look Nerdboy...I'm gonna give you an offer you cant refuse...

    If you make this graph, I'll make you some cookies.

    If you dont, I'll send winky after you after giving him some laxatives....he he he..ewwwwww:eek:

    NOOCH
     
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    I refuse to divert this thread any further.

    If you seek recourse you may contact me via PM.:p
     
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    so now that RowNerd's outta the way I pose an idea...


    I think apple should offer school a HUGE discount so that they'll setup Mac labs instead of Dell labs. Even if they take a hit initially....cause then schools will realize the power of X and never be able to part with it....then each year apple will take sales away from Dell my millions....
     
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    You don't get rid of me that easily.:p

    I think this is a great idea, and I'm sure that most people in Ed think the same way...but I don't think Apple thinks is a great idea.

    Right now it seems that they are looking to maintain a strong profit margin on their products. And I doubt they want to get into a price war with Dell, who will beat them every time.

    I hope that as their market share increases (which it's hopefullly doing) they should be able to reduce prices and still maintain healthy profits.:)
     

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