Apple Reportedly Offering Half of Pandora's Royalty Rate for Streaming Music Service

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  1. macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    The New York Post reports that Apple has been seeking to undercut its potential competitors with regard to royalty rates for its rumored streaming music service, currently offering a rate that is just half that paid by Pandora despite rumors that Apple is looking for more flexibility than allowed under the license used by Pandora.
    The report claims that Apple had hoped to have its so-called "iRadio" service ready for the iPhone 5 launch, but was forced to slow down its timetable due to the difficult content negotiations. Sources indicate that Apple would like to bundle iRadio with the existing iTunes Match service, although iRadio would also be ad-supported.

    Pandora has been seeking to lower its royalty payments, arguing that the current structure does not allow it to earn a profit on its service. The company has noted that it pays out a much higher percentage of its revenue in royalties than satellite service SiriusXM does, leaving essentially no room for profit once its other costs are accounted for.

    Pandora currently takes advantage of a compulsory licensing option that permits it to broadcast any music it wishes without having to strike individual deals with record labels, but license places significant restrictions on content, preventing users from requesting specific songs, rewinding, or skipping more than a handful of songs per hour. Apple is reportedly seeking a much more flexible arrangement for its users, but labels are reluctant to sign on at the rates currently being offered by the company.

    Update 10:14 AM: The New York Times reports that Apple's plans are indeed still being delayed due to the ongoing negotiations.
    Update 1:59 PM: Bloomberg corroborates word of the delay, noting that Apple still intends to launch the service later this year.
    Article Link: Apple Reportedly Offering Half of Pandora's Royalty Rate for Streaming Music Service
  2. macrumors 68030

    Krazy Bill

    Dec 21, 2011
    Bieber needs to pull up his knickers! :eek:
  3. macrumors G3


    Jun 11, 2008
    Los Angeles, CA
    1. Most folks in New York wouldn't wrap their dead fish or dog poop in the Post because it is viewed that poorly. No way should it be taken as a reliable source

    2. Of course Apple, if they are working in a streaming service, is going to try to get more rights and /or lower rates. That's just good business. Even if its just trying to bring back's one time full play and not really full 'radio' it's good business to cut costs


    He has to keep them low, so folks actually think there's something down there :eek:
  4. macrumors 6502a

    Jun 24, 2010
    Can someone start paying me for having to see and hear Justin Bieber? I consider it some kind of cruel torture that deserves compensation. Please just fast-forward him to the fat/drunk/drugged up reality TV desperation version of 10 years from now.
  5. macrumors 6502a


    Jun 17, 2012
    half is a little too low but iTunes is definitely more publicity than Pandora. I imagine some artists will take it and others won't
  6. macrumors 6502

    Oct 28, 2011
    This should be the flagship feature in iOS7. It could be a true game-changer.
  7. macrumors 68020


    Jun 22, 2006
    The thick of it
    On the face of it, 6 cents per hundred songs seems absurdly low compared to the other services. But I assume Apple is banking on its massive user base, as if they're buying in bulk. I can't imagine the recording industry going along with that price. I could see that as a low-ball offer, with the actual amount ending up higher.
  8. macrumors 68000


    Jul 1, 2010
    So much for all the noobs who claim that Apple is only interested in profits and doesn't care about the artists.

  9. macrumors 68030


    Oct 16, 2007
    If Pandora isn't making any money, I wonder how Spotify is able to.
  10. macrumors 65816


    Jul 10, 2008
    Apple has a much larger audience than Pandora so they can get away with offering less as the userbase will be much larger. Makes sense.
  11. macrumors 68000


    Jul 1, 2010
    If "playing catch-up" = "game-changing innovation", then I agree wholeheartedly!
  12. macrumors 6502

    Feb 15, 2005
    Lansing, MI
    Pony up, Apple! Stop being so cheap!
  13. macrumors 6502


    May 30, 2012
    Manhattan, New York
    Totally gonna join iRadio, Mehhhh :cool:
  14. macrumors G5


    Jun 27, 2007
    Another year, another streaming radio rumor.

    Originally, the record labels also screamed that iTune's $0.99 per song is too low of a price.
  15. macrumors regular

    Nov 1, 2012
    Using iTunes Store as an incentive?

    They could be low-balling the price by selling the fact they do operate one of the largest, if not THE largest, digital music library around. By having such a service they could market it in such a way to entice labels that music sales will go up as a result of the service and the streamlined approach.
  16. macrumors G5


    Nov 14, 2007
    1 Geostationary Tower Plaza
    C'mon MR Bot?! Put a pic of Adele, or someone notorious for being good not some wanna be. Change the article picture please.
  17. macrumors 68020


    Nov 17, 2012
    Still don't think it'll take off. Under the impression it'll be like Passbook when it first debuted.
  18. macrumors 6502a

    Oct 15, 2011
    To be a service that users want, does it not need to be all or nothing?
  19. macrumors member

    Jul 27, 2011
    In other news, Turns out the media industry is greedy!
  20. macrumors 68030


    Oct 16, 2007
    I'm trying to find where he said "innovation" because what you said and what he said are two completely different things.
  21. macrumors G5


    Jun 27, 2007
    They took the image from source article from a Tabloid, which credited "wired" for image. However, it's weird that some text is cut off in the lower left corner even in the source.
  22. macrumors 68030


    Nov 5, 2007
    No what they are banking on is this explanation. Pandora is going out of business based on the prices for content you are charging them. So don't compare our offer to theirs, because theirs is a temporary illusion. Now Pandora and Spotify have special places in the marketplace with investor capital can be used to fund the companies at a loss, potentially for a few more years. But eventually that ends. Apple is suggesting that this is price point where a real company can come in and resell the content and make money.

    However, this is a crushingly low amount of revenue for the content. Only a fraction of this would ever make it back to the artist creating the song. Even if you had a hit that got played, for example, 100,000 times in a year. The artist would probably do better setting up shop in the subway with a hat on the floor for a week.

    So basically it is unclear that streaming even works as a business model.
  23. macrumors member

    Dec 10, 2008
    Wow, so many people trash Walmart for try to get the lowest price for their products, yet it seems to be ok for Apple to try to undercut the market, by a large amount. Most artist are not in the financial league of Justin Bieber or Lady Gaga. This race to the bottom for compensation is not good for most artist, imo.
  24. macrumors 68030


    Nov 5, 2007
    Yeah, then they realized it was better than zero from Napster.
  25. macrumors 6502

    Jun 24, 2011
    Shutup stupid

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