Apple Rotating Display?

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    According to one user supplied report, Apple has reportedly filed for a patent for a rotating display, allowing both vertical and horizontal alignments from a single screen. From the summary:

    The patent description reportedly appeared on LexisNexus' service dated March 23, 2004, but does not appear to be locatable in the US Patent Office site at the moment.

    While pivoting displays have been marketed in the past (Radius Pivot), Apple has never offered one of their own.

    Readers are cautioned, however, that this particular patent, however, may simply represent Newton technology patents finally becoming processed. The patent summary notes that the rotation feature would be "especially advantageous for pen-based and hand-held computers". Apple's Newton 2x00 handheld computer did allow for this same portrait and landscape rotation.
     
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    Patent Summary:

     
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    That would be really nice on an iMac.............
     
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    Arn, do you have extensive knowledge on the subject, or did you just do some research before posting the story?

    Dan
     
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    so...what you're saying is that apple will release a G5 handheld device which can act as a cell phone, a 6 megapixel digital camera, a sight for your sniper, a graphing calculator, a portable dj station, and will also expand as a monitor with the ability to switch between portrait and landscape.....oh, and it may also have mp3 capabilities.. :rolleyes:

    my REAL opinion: this means nothing...from what i've seen, its generally not the best idea to follow patent issues and what not...we just got updates...yesterday...so i really don't think anything else will be seen until mid/late july....and seriously, do we need anything else?...other than os 10.4, of course ;) ....

    -adel
     
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    How are we supposed to make informed decisions with such scant info? :)

    Id just like Apple to patent a detachable swivelable screen for a Powerbook.
     
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    It would be cool and extend the functionality of the iMac if you could twist the screen and either put it into a portrait view and then back again into landscape, what would also be nicer is if the rendering was done on the fly without any need to access the control panel. Just tilt the screen and the desktop modifies itself.

    Anybody remember those water toys you could get where you tip it upside down and the coloured oils would flow from top to bottom in interesting ways? Then tip it the other way and the oil would do the same again.

    Imagine if you could tip the iMac screen into one view and the desktop (being 'aqua' and all) would gently wash itself into the new view as effortlessly as fast user switching. Just in the same way you would rotate a bottle half full of liquid, it travels with the force of gravity and the direction of the bottless tilt. Another excuse for the quartz systems lovely existence.

    Novels and pratical all in one.

    I would do a photoshop of what i'm trying to describe but college awaits me now!
     
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    How can Apple apply for a patent for this? Those Radius Pivot monitors were around for years. How can Apple possibly claim to have invented it?
     
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    I doubt they want to claim the invetion as their own; they just want to patent the way they will apply it to their computers.
     
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    er... the 2nd post is just the summary of the patent as submitted.

    Not sure what you mean by "extensive knowledge" on the subject. ;)

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    New?

    I've got a Compaq TFT5000 monitor here in the office which supposedly allows all that pivoting mullarky. My PowerBook recognises it but doesn't support it which is a pity as it would save me getting Scroller's Wrist when looking at PDFs, CVs and portrait format photos (and not only on 'artistic' websites). So I don't see how this is something radically new. All they need do is add support where applicable.
     
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    Actually they did release this

    I doubt this is a late Newton patent coming to fruition. I COULD see this as the full page display monitor though. This DID have a rotating image control panel, eventhough, the display itself did NOT rotate. It required a special nubus card and a SUN Micro like 13W3 connector instead of the standard Apple DB15 connection

    The full page portrait display was used a lot in ad firms and at newspapers that used Macs.

    I couldn't find a pic on Google - but I do believe the display itself was actually made for Apple by Radius and THEN LATER adopted by Radius. So it may actually be an Apple patent.

    If any of you have seen the 20 in LCD Samsung rotating display - you'd know how really useful this could be.
     
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    Exactly what I was thinking! It would be rev-a-licious on the iMac. I'd use portrait-mode almost all the time, since most web-sites (like this one) would be better that way.
     
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    I love the idea! :D It would be useful to many people at the same time as it would not degrade user experience for the ones who don't want/need it. As a bonus it would be another unique Mac feature.

    If the functionality is included with a new G5 iMac, I think I might go for that instead of a G5 PowerMac.
     
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    I have always thought this of the iMac when it first launched and I have always hoped Apple would do something like this, what other flatscreen could do it so easily, plus not only would it be a 'mac' attribute and a first but it would also be confined to the iMac, unless Cinema displays on their own could be rotated just as easily.
     
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    Sorta sucks on some LCDs...

    I have a semi-old Samsung SyncMaster 150T (15") with a pivot-stand.

    Portrait mode is really useful. But there are two negatives:

    1. this particular screen has a really bad vertical viewing angle. When viewed from below, the image darkens. So when used in portrait mode each eye sees a slightly different picture ! Very annoying.

    2. text smoothing (anti-aliasing) on (digitally connected) LCDs takes advantage of the way pixels are divided into three subpixels horisontally. That means that text can use three times normal horisontal resolution, which is really nice. When used in portrait mode this instead becomes three times the vertical resolution, which isn't as useful for text.
     
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    Arn was right...

    Arn was right, this is an old patinet of Apple's. In fact, someone further up mentioned Compaq's display rotating, this technology has been licensed by MANY Tablet PC companies.
     
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    ehhh....

    ok, i'm all for cool little gadgets, but this is not anything particularly novel or widely useful. i remember seeing my first portrait monitor YEARS ago on a Mac & thought it was the coolest thing. you could drag your cursor across the landscape monitor onto the portrait monitor & you had this "L" shaped desktop. but apart from the "wow" factor in the 80's and people working for a newspaper, i can't get too pumped about this if this really is a new patent.

    i'm a designer & i design a ton of portrait-oriented ads, flyers, etc., but i can't name one program that i don't have a butt-load of menus on either side of my portrait oriented layout. so i tilt my 640x480 monitor, now what do i do w/ all my menus?

    ...would be nice for porn, though... ;^)
     
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    This isn't new

    I've had my eyes on one of these monitors for a long time now:
    http://www.eyegonomic.com/page.dsp?page=131

    they are the sweetest monitors i've seen, and the price in Canadian dollars at the canadian retailer is actually cheaper than the comparable apple monitors that can't adjust. Oh, and this goes sweeeet with an aluminum box like the G5 or the newer G5.5's soon hopefully.
     
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    what apple should do is work on a software solution to make OS X work with those Windows-only pivot monitors that are already out there.... heck, everyone makes them now, but I don't think any support Mac OS X. LaCie has a nice one, and I always liked their electronBlue CRTs. do they all use the same technology for informing the OS that it has pivoted and the OS needs to change resolution? if so, then support for these shouldn't be too hard (but what do i know, i'm not a software engineer).
     
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    The patent system is SO stupid. If it weren't for the greedy lawyer leeches there might be a sensible system. The whole edifice of incompetence and litigious theft ought to be abolished. Thankfully, I am not a lawyer. "Legal ethics" is the biggest oxymoron of all.
     
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    Any technology that was sold as part of the Newton is now unpatentable. There is a one year statutory bar on getting a patent on an invention that is sold in the US (translated - you have one year from the date of first sale to apply for a patent).

    Reading the abstract gives me the impression that this is old, though. Perhaps this is from an abandoned Apple patent application?
     
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    Speak not of that which you know not.

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    ps. I forget, are personal attacks allowed in this forum or not?
     
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    Agreed...

    As a first project for a new website I'm starting up called macsoso.com - I am trying to convince Portrait Displays Inc (Pivoting Software makers for OS8/9) to open source the code and let a company like CodeTek who makes Virtual Desktop to possibly produce such software to release for OS X.

    To reply to the post about the Samsung 15" - the newer 20" LCD portrait display they offer is FAR advanced - it is the nicest display beyond Apple displays I have seen to date.

    And the post that said it wouldn't be useful hasn't used a 20" rotating display. I would have to agree, the 15" 640x480 displays of the past were lackluster at best.
     
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    I've always kind of wanted to be able to pivot my actual windows. I frequently have large stacks of code windows open, and even exposé is kind of useless, since all small code windows look the same. If, however, I could cock some to one side, they'd remain partially visible when everything is stacked on top of each other, and I could jump around quicker.

    I have, of course, feedbacked that idea to Apple, but I don't actually think there's anyone on the other end of that system. :) (Or, could it be that I'm not the genius I think I am)

    (Ironically, I had to spell-check genius)
     

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