Apple Store Employee: Macbook Air 2011 SSD is Soldered

Discussion in 'MacBook Air' started by macrumors2345, Jul 21, 2011.

  1. macrumors newbie

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    Just talked to an employee at the Apple Store. He told me the "technician in the back" said that the SSD is soldered on - he may have been referring specifically to the 13" (I was asking about the 13", so make your assumptions).

    Can anyone else weigh in?
     
  2. macrumors G4

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    We'll see what happens when iFixit does its teardown. Note that Apple's website does say that the flash memory is attached directly to the logic board to save space, though.
     
  3. macrumors member

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    The technician has a service manual, so he would know that it's soldered.

    What's there to weigh in on?
     
  4. macrumors regular

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    So if the board dies and has to be replaced you will lose all of your data on the drive? That doesn't seem like a good idea... :(
     
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    jclardy

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    Yes, but we are going on a customer talking to a sales person who talked to a technician.

    It could have been a misinterpretation, maybe the technician said the "memory is soldiered to the board" and the salesman took him to mean the SSD when he was referring to RAM.

    We'll know for sure when iFixit does their teardown.
     
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    TDM would still be an option in 99% of cases.
     
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    Veinticinco

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    Can't see any reason why the SSD isn't connected as per the now-previous late 2010 model. No reason to change.

    Strongly suspect this is a case of crossed wires and reference to RAM being soldered, as poster above has already suggested.
     
  8. thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Definitely grain of salt

    Yes I agree with you guys - definitely take my conversation with the Apple employee with a grain of salt.

    If it clears anything up:

    1. I ask if the hard drive is soldered on.
    2. He tells me immediately that it is.
    3. I ask him if he's sure, since the 2010 Air's hard drive isn't soldered and is replaceable.
    4. He says he'll ask again. Goes to the back to ask again.
    5. Confirms and says the technician says it is soldered on.

    We can't be sure until someone does a teardown. Just want to give people a heads up in case anyone was thinking about getting the 128 SSD now and upgrading later.
     
  9. macrumors member

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    LOL, how is it "with a grain of salt"? He asked twice. :rolleyes:

    I remember reading awhile back where a source said the SSD would be soldered on, which is why I'm not surprised in the lease that it is.
     
  10. macrumors member

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    Found it.

    http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/04/next-macbook-air-to-adopt-faster-more-power-efficient-ssd/
     
  11. macrumors G4

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    A big difference is that they needed to find room on that logic board for the Thunderbolt chip. I don't know how the size of the Core i5/i7 and HD3000 combo compares to the size of the Core 2 Duo/NVIDIA 320m combo, so perhaps that played into it. The logic board changed significantly, so maybe they decided to solder the flash chips to make room for everything.
     
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  13. macrumors G3

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    From a reliability POV, your drive is more likely to fail before your motherboard. Having it soldered to the board isn't going to change that. Get in the habit of backing up your data.
     
  14. macrumors regular

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    That's very true, but soldered in means your shiny piece of kit is a shiny piece of junk when your warranty expires and the drive dies :(
     
  15. macrumors 65816

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    I want to know this too. And no an Apple tech's word isn't good enough :)
     
  16. macrumors G4

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    True, but that also means that your perfectly-working Core i7 logic board becomes useless if the flash chips fail. It's $755 to replace a logic board on a MacBook Air (late 2010 - 2011 might be higher).
     
  17. macrumors member

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    Not really, it just means swapping out the ssd is a pain in the rear. You can desolder, and resolder a new one. Also, you can always boot/use osx on an external hard drive.
     
  18. macrumors regular

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    What a pity. Then again, was the SSD used a proprietary part anyways? So that it's difficult to replace?
     
  19. macrumors 65816

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    OWC sells SSDs for MBA 2010.
     
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  21. macrumors G4

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    Nice. OWC can breathe a sigh of relief. :)
     
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    awer25

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    I guess it's moot now, but it was supposed to be taken with a grain of salt b/c OP asked the same question twice to the same person (not that OP was wrong in doing so). Therefore, if the person was wrong the first time, they would likely be wrong the second too. It wouldn't be the first time an Apple employee spoke out of his a$s and "asked a technician in the back" for confirmation.
     
  23. macrumors member

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    heh, apple needs to hire a new technician.:confused: Egg on my face, yada, yada.;) Good news though.
     

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