Apple Superdrive Updates

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  1. arn
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    The Inquirer reports that, according to their sources, Apple is preparing for an update on their SuperDrives.

    The updates hinted at include 4x DVD-R and 12x CD-R as well as long awaited TiBook/Superdrive options.
     
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    If Apple's going to put a superdrive into the TiBooks, I'm buying one the minute it's announced.
     
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    damn i just bought a new tibook 800... it hasn't arrived yet but i will be one frustrated customer if apple annoucnes superdrive powerbooks right after i buy mine... :(
     
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    Power suckage ?

    I'm wondering, does it take more NRG to burn your average DVD-R than a CDR ? Sure... it takes more time to burn, therefore it must use more laser energy.... but, per second of burning, does it use more energy? A consideration... can u burn a full disc on bat power ?
     
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    Re: Power suckage ?

    Well...
    A DVD-R takes about 29 min to burn.
    4700Mbytes / 2,7Mbytes/s (2x DVD-R)
    1740 seconds / 60 seconds = 29 min

    The dvd-r in the market only use about a 20% more energy than cd-rw drives.
    I think that an optimized superdrive for tibook can reduce the power consumption.
     
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    Bah, I just bought a new Pbook Ti... oh well.
     
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    I was wondering if anyone could provide some answers to these questions...

    I'm pretty sure that it takes a laser temperature of approximately 200 degrees celsius to burn and crystallize a CD-R. Is the burning temperature the same for DVD-R?

    What are the physical material differences between DVD-Rs and CD-Rs (other than the width of the coiled material in the disc)? Essentially, what are the compositional differences between CD-R and DVD-R?

    I'm sure this would all factor into battery usage. I know that DVDs have to spin faster and, by nature, use more battery power. My extremely uninformed opinion would leave me to believe that Apple would have to provide new battery technology to include a superdrive (as well as a really efficient way to disperse the heat through the machine). I know that the latest revision of the powerbook supposedly resolved the heat issues, but I haven't had access to the new models. Anyone out there with some comparisons?
     
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    You know what the ironic thing is? If they can fit a superdrive in a TiBook, they could put it in an iBook too.

    Man, if they came out with an iBook/Superdrive option I'd be all over that...
     
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    If they put one in the PowerBook, they will sell a lot of new PowerBooks! They won't put one in the iBook until it has a G4. The G3 just cannot handle it.
     
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    That is the nature of the beast buddy... I bought my first G3 tower a month before they released the G4, had I been on these forums prior or even knew they existed I would have known. I am typing this on a Rev. A Tibook and believe me they have been updated far beyond my machine and I wish I had a new one.

    I tend to think this rumor is true a good friend of mine and I were discussing the powerbooks and he said he wasnt buying one until they had superdrives, my comment was that'll be a while and he told me that he just finished shooting and ad for it... We'll see.
     
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    Backtothemac said:

    If they put one in the PowerBook, they will sell a lot of new PowerBooks! They won't put one in the iBook until it has a G4. The G3 just cannot handle it.


    I can't think of one reason why the G3 wouldn't be able to handle burning DVD's. I can think of reasons why it would not be fast encoding MPEG's (the lack of Altivec acceleration,) but what about data DVD's with backups and such?

    I really don't understand Apple's policy of having products that can't run some of its software, no matter how slow.

    In my opinion they should make all software run on both G3's and G4's or get rid of G3's entirely.

    This is irrelevant to desktop Macs because, except for the old iMacs they are all G4-based. What about iBooks, which are awesome machines otherwise? See, I don't want a powerbook. I want an iBook. It's small and sexy.

    I would use a powerbook as a desktop replacement, or as a mobile computer, but not as a "real" laptop, you know, the kind you actually use all over the place. It's too big.

    Oh, and it would be great if Apple could graft Altivec on top of the sahara chip.
     
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    Apple Expo Paris....

    The Apple expo paris will be on Sep-10, anyone thinks or knows if the new tibook with superdrive, and the new Powermac will be presented in this expo?

    I'm Spanish, and i'm thinking that a little travel to Paris would be great if apple presents the pro-line of his computers.

    Uhmm...
    Ohh happy day! ;)

    Apple Expo Paris 2002
     
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    Re: Power suckage ?

    Answer me this: Do you really need to burn a DVD when you're on the go (not near a AC outlet)? You're going to have made the DVD and then just plug it in and let it sit there and burn....
     
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    IIRC, a G4 is required to run iDVD, that's why.
     
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    Well, this is a good news, I think that the problem with burning a CD or DVD in a TiBook is not the laser if no the spining, that is a electromotive engine and that consumes energy more than a lazr beam for sure, any way I think Apple is giving you the option of a mobile superdrive, the energy factor is not as important as the funcionality you are gonna get as a costumer.

    Is good to hear we are gonna get a new drive soon.

    But the processor, THE PROCESSOR!!!:confused: :confused: :confused:
     
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    Which DVD-R?

    No doubt this has been brought up before in other threads, but does Apple plan to pursue DVD-RW? A DVD-RW in a powerbook would be incredible. I heard Sony is planning on something for their next laptop.

    Andy
     
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    Re: Re: Power suckage ?

    Some folks (especially in the city where real estate is around $300 / sq. ft.) have ditched the minitower as their home computer, and use portables. They take up so much less space, less cords, and are mobile.

    Monitor = about 4 Sq. Ft.
    $1200
    +
    Keyboard / mouse = about 2.5 Sq. Ft.
    $750

    -----------------

    $1950 in space saved by getting a portable. AND you can remove it from the table easily and use the space for something else. Like dinner. :D

    Yes. I would welcome a TiBook with SuperDrive.
     
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    Re: Power suckage ?

    Boy, I hope that I never live in that city... That would mean that a 1,000 sqft house would cost (I presume we're talking buying, not renting) $300,000! Whew. That makes my head spin...
     
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    Re: Which DVD-R?

    The QuickSilver and G4 iMac SuperDrives are DVD-RW drives. iDVD just doesn't support it from what I understand. If you use Toast 5 you can use DVD-RW's with them. (Can anyone with a SuperDrive back me up on this?)

    I would presume a TiBook SuperDrive would be the same.
    -Eric S.
     
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    Re: Re: Which DVD-R?

    Yes their superdrives are DVD-RW drives. It would seem logical that iDVD would only support DVD-R disks (I can't check to confirm this right now). Toast 5 does support DVD-RW disks however.
     
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    The sacrifice is worth the gain in other departments. ;)

    (and, BTW, that's $300 sq. ft. for a loft. A 1000 sq. ft. house would be in the neighborhood of $0.5 mil. You have to buy the land it's on. :rolleyes: )

    yes...if we could all live on cheap desert land....I mean sand... ;)
     
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    whiners

    I love these guys who whine about just buying a PowerBook G4 and they can't burn DVD's.

    "WAH! I had $3500 to spend on a laptop and I am too poor too spend $399 more for a DVD burner!"

    Try running OS X on a 9600 for a few months and you'll quit your bitching. I was planning to buy a new Mac, but not after all the BS Apple has put upon us lately. I'm buying CPU upgrades, refurb and used Macs, and whatever else I can get that does not give Apple a cent. I have already bought 27 Macs in 18 years. And now they want $99 for a 2 cent email address. Screw them ....
     
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    Re: Re: Power suckage ?

    If you are capuuring DV video and have an under 20gb drive you might occasionally save to DVD. If you are a video editor you might save to tape, er, dvd, the final version for a customer review.

    With more people able to do reasonably edited video with titles this may tricke down to lectures, graduations, weddings and other highly common events. I am sure Apple hopes leigions of TiG4 and DV camera equipped people are going around working.

    Rocketman
     
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    Re: whiners

    While I tend to agree, the $399 burner (if you can find an external one for that much) will cost you about $1399 when you throw in DVD Studio Pro. iDVD doesn't support external burners.
     
  25. macrumors regular

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    Could cost big bucks.

    I believe the current powerbooks are the most expensive ever!

    I would hope Apple offer DVD-R as an optional extra, if not the price could jump quite considerably and be out of reach of many.
     

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