Apple v Apple Decision on May 8?

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  1. macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001
    [​IMG] reports that a decision on the Apple Corps v. Apple Computer Inc. case will be announced on Monday, May 8.

    Apple Corps, the recording company founded by the Beatles, sued Apple Computer Inc last year for allegedly breaching a trademark settlement made by the companies in 1991. The 1991 settlement's language barred Apple Computer from distributing music on physical media, but Apple Corps has argued that downloadable music could not be envisioned at the time but was clearly within the spirit of the agreement.

    Should the court decide against Apple Computer, the judge is expected to forcibly remove Apple's logo from iTunes, and precedent would be set for a large sum of money be paid to Apple Corps.

    Raw Data: Recent court decision quoting 1991 ruling.
  2. macrumors member

    Dec 23, 2005
  3. macrumors 6502

    Jun 27, 2005
    That would be devestating. Although, since the beatles are no longer a group should the case still be upheld?
  4. macrumors 68030


    Jul 17, 2002
    Dubuque, Iowa
    What would probably happen is that the Ipod/Itunes section would be spun off like filemaker. However, in my mind, there is nobody on earth how is going to mistake a dormant record label for Apple computer.
  5. macrumors 65816


    Jan 10, 2006
    Sad that apple corps feels the need to keep itself afloat by using another company. they're ancient history now, and irrelevant. just a lot of sour grapes and whining.
  6. macrumors member

    Dec 15, 2005
    I am currently taking a law class and we have discussed this case. My Proff seems to think that apple corp will win. I think I disagree because apple computers is only providing a means for record labels to distribute their product. Apple isnt actually distributing music.

    Ironic how Apple Computers paved the way for legal downloads. and now they are being sued.
  7. macrumors 68040


    Mar 24, 2003
    OK the Beatles are good, sure....but not THAT good...

    Whatever. They'll probably work out some deal to sell their songs on iTunes cuz the heads at Apple Corps. are up there with the asshats at the RIAA.
  8. macrumors P6


    Jun 4, 2003
    Yikes, this could be bad news for Apple - and so unnecessary in my mind. It's not like the Beatles are still around, or this old record label has any significance these days (somebody correct me if I'm wrong). I'll defintely be following this story and am curious to see how the judge will rule.
  9. macrumors 6502a


    Jun 23, 2005
    cpuldn't apple just buy these guys out and then fire them. Now that would be amusing.
  10. macrumors 65816


    Jun 28, 2004
    I bet Apple announces that it will split into two. iTunes Inc. and Apple Computer Inc. A new iTunes update will no longer show the Apple logo, instead it will show the iTunes logo. The iPod will be left to iTunes Inc. to develop and report to Apple Computer Inc. The new Apple campus being built is for the new iTunes Inc. and it will still work closely with Apple Inc. Apple also announces the limited edition Beatles iPod with engraved image of the logo and band members with signatures. This along with the entire Beatles catalogue being on the iTMS will be the talk of the news. Apple will also release a new iPod commercial featuring a popular Beatles tune. This is of course just speculation, but it at least has some reasonable thought put into it.
  11. macrumors 68000

    Nov 4, 2003
    stupid or not, it was stupid for Apple Computer to so clearly violate a set agreement.

    there's a reason it's called the iTunes Music store.

    seems like a better name would have been Apple Music Store.

    But now that wouldn't make sense either. podcasts and tv shows aren't exactly "music" are they?

    Apple Media Store?

    can't use "Apple" anymore.

    iTunes Media Store.

    stays iTMS.

    remove the apple logo from it.

    no big deal. Seems pretty arrogant of Apple Computer to have not done this from the beginning.
  12. macrumors 65816


    Jun 28, 2004
    Don't be sorry! ;)
  13. macrumors 68000

    Oct 8, 2003
    Yes - the were.

    But that's not the issue. Apple Corps are run by a bunch of ex-Apple roadies that are desperately trying to make money by any means necessary. They're wankers, but this in no way dimishes how good the Beatles were.
  14. macrumors 65816


    Jun 28, 2004
    You sir, just hit the nail on the head.
    :eek: :D
  15. macrumors 65816


    Sep 3, 2005
    Pacific Northwest
    This will only effect apple in the UK, seeing that the prior judgement has no legal bounds outside UK law.
  16. macrumors 68000

    Oct 8, 2003
    Losing a large chunk of change will effect Apple everywhere however.
  17. macrumors 68030

    Sep 20, 2005
    New Jersey
    I really hope Apple wins this. It's a stupid arguement. Seriously, did anyone see music eventually being sold online and being successful?
  18. macrumors 68000


    Apr 20, 2004
    Boise, Idaho
    I disagree whole-heartedly with this statement. How could online distribution not be envisioned in 1991? Around that time the Internet was still in its infancy, but it was growing very fast. Digital distribution wasn't exactly a brand new idea at that time.

    I don't care if it was in the "spirit" of the agreement or not, they should have specified.

    I hope Apple, Inc. wins straight out.
  19. macrumors 6502

    Nov 30, 2004
    This has nothing to do with the actual case, but did anyone notice the name of the judge from the '91 trial?

    Mr. Justice Mann.

    That's amazing.

  20. macrumors newbie

    Feb 27, 2006
    I don't understand

    I still don't get why so many people think Apple Corp MUST be after money and only money in this case... Seems to me that actually The Beatles (and so Apple Corps) already have LOTS of money. Had they only been after a large settlement, surely they would have allowed the case to take place in the USA, where the chances of winning are higher, as are the settlements, in general.

    I also don't buy the argument that they're tying to buy back the rights to the Beatles catalogue as Paul McCartney's no fool and the rights revert back to him in a few years anyway.

    Seems to me that this is about the fact the when The Beatles music is put up on iTunes, under the 'Record Label' section it will say 'Apple'. When Apple Computer advertises the iTMS, they play a music video, followed by a picture of an Apple: which can easily be seen to imply that Apple is the publishing company for the music being played. Both these things lead to brand ambiguity, and are clearly against the 1991 agreement,

    I can't see a way in which Apple Computer can win

    But I'm not a lawyer, I'm just using my head...


    P.S. I actually want Apple Computer to win, but not because they SHOULD, just because I don't want them to lose.
  21. macrumors P6


    Jun 4, 2003
    I think one guy did. His name was Steve Jobs or something like that. :cool:
  22. macrumors 68030

    Sep 20, 2005
    New Jersey
    Hahaha, you know what I meant! ;)
  23. Editor emeritus


    Jul 10, 2003
    Falls Church, VA
    Dude, in this conversation you really gotta qualify your "Apple's". Reading what you wrote, I have no idea which Apple you are talking about.
  24. macrumors 65816


    Jan 20, 2005
    Rockford MI
    Yay for people actually thinking good. I hate the people that actually post things that will never happen and expect people to agree with them. I would just hope that they TIGHTLY and i mean TIGHTLY intergrate the companys. StevyJ being the CEO of both. (obviously)
  25. macrumors 65816

    Apr 9, 2003
    I would be shocked if Apple Computer didn't win this case.

    The case seems to boil down to one point, from what I have read in the media. Would a reasonable person using iTunes think that Apple Corps is behind it? (Thus, the reasoning behind removing the Apple logo from the software.)

    The dumbest person in the world wouldn't think that.

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