Apple Working on Security Measures to Make iOS Devices 'It Can't Hack'

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    Amid a monumental dispute with the United States government over an order to hack into the iPhone 5c of San Bernardino shooter Syed Farook, The New York Times says Apple has already begun work on implementing stronger security measures "even it can't hack" to protect iOS devices.

    The FBI has asked Apple to help it brute force the passcode on Farook's iPhone by creating a version of iOS that would both disable passcode security features and allow passcodes to be entered electronically. The new security measures Apple is working on would prevent the government from using similar passcode bypassing techniques to access iOS devices in the future.

    Apple has announced its intentions to challenge the order that would force it to help the FBI, calling the software the FBI wants "too dangerous to create." The company has also said that such software could be used to "unlock any iPhone" available today, including its most recent devices. If Apple loses the fight against the FBI and is forced to create the software in question, stronger security would ensure it could not go on to be used again.

    Apple and other technology companies believe that the order to hack into the iPhone sets a dangerous precedent that could lead to a weakening of overall device encryption, something the government has denied while also pursing other court orders that would require Apple to help law enforcement extract data from 12 other encrypted iPhones.

    Earlier this week, Apple called on the U.S. government to drop the case and form a commission or panel of experts on intelligence, technology, and civil liberties to discuss the implications of what the FBI is asking on national security, privacy, and personal freedoms.

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    Article Link: Apple Working on Security Measures to Make iOS Devices 'It Can't Hack'
     
  2. Santabean2000 macrumors 68000

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    And so the games continue. But God help us if the 'other' side wins...
     
  3. SgtPepper23 macrumors regular

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    Times are most certainly going to be interesting from now on about personal cybersecurity, won't it?
     
  4. VanillaCracker macrumors 68000

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    Wow, apple is hardcore. I like it.

    F you government, we the people.
     
  5. FloatingBones macrumors 65816

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    One other thing I see not discussed: the terrorists will soon adapt and will wipe and/or physically destroy their smartphones, and this issue will be largely moot.
    I urge anyone who hasn't done so to sign the petition:
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/apple-privacy-petition . At the very least, this will force the Obama administration itself to publicly make the case for these FBI actions.
     
  6. Shirasaki macrumors 601

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    Apple should do it, for the sake of personal privacy, and for people's rights to be protected.

    I am glad to see Apple is developing new technologies to further prevent their devices from being hacked. Government does few good to citizens, when someone is grabbing their profit from them.
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    So what if FBI react if terrorists eventually destroy their smartphones? They attempt to recover data from damages flash chips? I may never know.
     
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    The number of times PWN2OWN took down Macs... Or even a one-click website can still jailbreak an iphone... At least Apple admits it's not hack-proof, unlike its more religious-like followers.
     
  9. LovingTeddy macrumors 6502a

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    There is no unhackable software. If it is programmed by human, it bond to have holes that is hackable.


    Think other way, if indeed Apple created unhackable software, jailbreak will be impossible and it won't be fun.

    Mainwhile, i will just get some popcorn and watching the drama unfold.
     
  10. macs4nw, Feb 24, 2016
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    Quote: "......implementing stronger security measures "even it can't hack" to protect iOS devices......"


    Even that will be in vain if Apple is court-ordered to prevent it from implementing just such measures.
    It is imperative we win this 'war' in the interest of preserving privacy of our Data, and non-erosion of our freedoms.
     
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    Apple, as a for-profit company, exists to profit first and foremost. It's only incidental and convenient for this big puppet show selling the rubes the claim that the company gives a damn about them, while it continues to bash Americans as to why they can't hire here (as anyone who has kept up with H1B abuse over the years knows...), or their lobbyists helping to make the tax problem they whine about worse, or any other excuse as the day is long.
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    Very true. It's amazing how many people believe Apple is the holy grail, or was long before recent events...
     
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    Weasel words.
     
  13. CFreymarc macrumors 68040

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    A lot of very secure environments have small "emp blasters" right next to sensitive digital storage that can rip though a system destroying the media. A few systems I have seen have bright colored tags right next to a hard disk. Pull the tap, a very strong charge is released into a coil focused on the storage media. Been told some are strong enough to disrupt pacemakers. Now imagine a "doomdays" iPhone case with a rip chord to pull when "the man" shows destroying your iPhone's data.
     
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    Weasel word
     
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    This is turning into a no holds barred battle. I agree with Apple's side on this. The question is, how would people feel is there were another 9/11 and the fbi wanted to access information on a phone that could lead to finding further culprits?
     
  17. Michael Scrip macrumors 68040

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    The article talks about security "measures"

    It doesn't specifically say "software"

    Don't forget... Apple also designs the hardware.

    Couldn't Apple could insert some code into the silicon that will permanently brick the phone if ANY tampering is detected?
     
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    I like this, unfortunately I'll have to hang onto it forever after congress outlaws manufacture of similar devices in the future.
     
  19. vertsix macrumors 65816

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    The current ones are already "unhackable" technically because of the burned in encryption key on the SoC which Apple doesn't have.

    What other measures are they thinking about? Security against brute force attacks?
     
  20. CFreymarc macrumors 68040

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    There are many investigation techniques that are decades, some centuries old, that can get the data for Law Enforcement. The issue is the whole thing is turning into a Pandora's Box Affair that civil libertarians make or break their careers over.
     
  21. manu chao macrumors 601

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    It's much easier to hack software than hardware.
     
  22. \-V-/ macrumors 68030

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    Why? Cuz you hate personal security?
     
  23. vertsix macrumors 65816

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    I actually misread the title. Thought it said "Can" instead of "Can't".

    Completely changed my post.
     
  24. manu chao macrumors 601

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    It's hacking the hardware that is difficult.
     
  25. CFreymarc macrumors 68040

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    Laws banning encryption has a long history of being defeated in American courts. Typically First Amendment issues are brought up akin to you can publish whatever you want including encrypted data and encrypting techniques.

    When PGP became in vogue a generation ago, the Men in Black went crazy since they couldn't crack it. To this day, it still holds up as long as the key is big enough to be a generation ahead of the NSA supercomputer farm.
     

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