Apple's Revised Plans for New Flagship San Francisco Store Will Keep Fountain, Tweak Facades

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  1. macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Back in May, officials in San Francisco proudly touted a plan by Apple to move its existing Stockton Street flagship store three blocks north, giving the store a larger footprint and a prime location in the Union Square shopping district.

    Apple's original design for new San Francisco flagship store
    Apple's plans quickly ran into resistance, however, with critics panning Apple's proposal to remove a sculptural fountain along Stockton Street and the design's 80-foot-long windowless wall along a key pedestrian and transit corridor on Stockton. As the project proceeded through the city's planning process, officials made clear that significant changes would be needed for the project if it was to receive approval.

    As noted by the San Francisco Chronicle, Apple has now filed revised plans for the store, addressing the major criticisms of the project. Among the most prominent changes is a move to retain the fountain by noted sculpture artist Ruth Asawa, who died earlier this month. The fountain will be moved slightly, but will remain close to its current location.

    Ruth Asawa's "San Francisco Fountain" that Apple has now proposed keeping on the site
    Another change for the project involves the addition of an eight-foot wide window along the Stockton Street frontage, extending from the sidewalk to the roof to break up the massing and provide visual interest for those passing by. The window will also continue across the roof of the store to create a skylight.
    A third change addresses planners' concerns about a monotonous glass wall along the main Post Street frontage, with Apple now proposing to pull the glass wall back by four feet from the metal frame of the building, offering a greater sense of depth and more shadows for visual interest.

    City officials quoted in the story seem pleased by Apple's proposed changes, although the project must still pass through full review before it can be approved. Apple has not announced when it plans to open the new store, and any internal targets may yet be affected San Francisco's frequently unpredictable review and permitting processes.

    Update: Renderings of the revised plan showing the fountain, vertical window along Stockton Street side, and recessed glass on Post Street frontage.



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  2. macrumors G5


    Nov 14, 2007
    1 Geostationary Tower Plaza
  3. macrumors 68020


    Aug 30, 2007
    Atlanta, Ga
    I'm all for art, but I've seen that thing in person, and Apple would do everyone a favor by bulldozing it.

    I don't think it's all that but hey that's art, it's all opinionated.
  4. macrumors 65816

    Sep 14, 2009
    Just my personal opinion, but I was hoping they would get rid of it .... and maybe replace with a giant black MacPro with a fountain in the middle.

  5. macrumors 6502a

    Sep 17, 2012
    if u designed something and someone wanted to move it or somehting, wouldnt u be upset?
  6. macrumors newbie

    Aug 6, 2011
    I'm all for preserving history and all that, but that is one ugly fountain.
  7. macrumors 6502

    May 21, 2011
    There's a house on that parking garage...or building or whatever. But there's a house up there....
  8. macrumors 6502a


    May 7, 2011
    Seriously, that thing was ugly. And that's not an exaggeration like the hate for iOS 7 icons.
  9. macrumors 65816


    Dec 5, 2012
    San Francisco is about 2 things:

    Going green.

    Modern Art.

    Apple will make a lot of people in San Fran happy by keeping that junk/modern-art/water-fountain where it is.
  10. macrumors regular

    Jan 5, 2007
    Brisbane, Australia
    In the sculptor's case, no. He died.
    quite so.
  11. macrumors 6502a


    Jan 21, 2013
    I would be upset if it didn't benefit the community in any possible way. This is just an obstacle.
  12. macrumors 68020

    Jan 22, 2009
    What NY's said about World Trade building when opened.

    They changed their mind.

    Looking at picture, it is busy, and all green, but I have seen worse.
  13. macrumors 68000


    Mar 5, 2013
    I still have no idea if that fountain is the ugliest thing I've ever seen, or a really cool piece of art.
  14. macrumors regular

    Sep 24, 2012
    One thing I don't like about this design is with the giant window, pervs can easily look up someone's dress.
  15. macrumors member

    Feb 9, 2010
  16. macrumors regular

    Jun 5, 2011
    New Yorkers didn't particularly care for the two Popsicle Sticks in the Sky until 9/11. Go back into Sherman and Peabody's Wayback Machine and read the print articles about the Twin Tower circa 1972-1976. What saved it was the Windows of the World restaurant.
  17. macrumors 68000


    Mar 5, 2013
    I can see it now.

  18. macrumors 601


    Mar 18, 2008
    California, United States
    Contradictory statement there. If art is opinionated, then by removing it, you really wouldn't be doing everyone a favor as some would appreciate it.
  19. macrumors 6502a


    Jun 18, 2008
  20. macrumors member

    Oct 22, 2008
    IMO, Apple should have hung tough on this one and merely offered to relocate the fountain to a place of the planning commission's choosing within the nearby Union Square Park...rather than trying to integrate an unattractive 40 year-old 'sculpture' into Apple's modernistic building design.

    But this is just a sign of the Apple changes we'll continue seeing in the future. Tim Cook, by nature, is not a confrontational sort of guy. He'd rather switch than fight.
  21. macrumors 603


    May 21, 2012
    Loved the Twin Towers. Working in the WTC was a dream of mine as a kid. I could see them from Brooklyn where I mostly grew up.

    Dream came true in my early 20's. Now everyone I worked with in WTC is dead.

    The old towers will always occupy a special place for me.
  22. macrumors 68020


    Jan 11, 2002
    Bay Area, Ca.
    If the architects do it right, they will probably choose a much better material than that brick for the fountain to sit on. It'll probably look great. :)

    I'm really glad to hear about the side window!
  23. macrumors 6502

    Sep 22, 2009
    As a tourist, I never encountered the infamous urine / vomit. I am sure all the regular places though are completely different.

    Russian Hill looks like a great place to live (if you had the money).
  24. macrumors 68020

    Nov 10, 2007
    Well, I suppose there's still hope. Maybe they'll drop and break that hideous fountain while they're moving it...
  25. macrumors regular


    Feb 2, 2009
    As a local, it's such an ugly fountain!! Shane it's not going!!

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