Aren't we (Apple Fans) much too forgiving??

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by DeVizardofOZ, Mar 1, 2006.

  1. DeVizardofOZ macrumors regular


    Jan 12, 2006
    Antarctica City;)
    Read this NYT stroy. It is well written and balanced.

    Apple Laptop Has Looks and Brains REMEMBER the famous five stages of grief: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance? If you're a fan of the Macintosh computer, meet the five stages of switching to Apple's new laptop: lust, anticipation, delight, dismay and waiting.Ordinarily, it's not really news when a computer company introduces a new laptop model. You don't see newspaper headlines blaring, "Gateway's New P32-XC5 Adds Faster Processor, Third U.S.B. Port." But the new Apple MacBook Pro ($2,000 and up) is a different story. Although it looks nearly identical to the company's existing 15-inch PowerBook, something radical is going on under the hood.Apple's high-end laptops are beautiful, thin and light, clad in scuff-hiding aluminum and crammed with features: Wi-Fi wireless networking, Bluetooth wireless, DVD burning, light-up keys for typing in the dark, stereo speakers, batteries with illuminated "fuel gauges" and much more. But the speed of Apple's laptops has only inched forward in recent years, no thanks to the suppliers of its processor chips ( I.B.M. and Freescale).Apple made the eyebrow-raising decision, therefore, to replace that chip family with chips from another company you may have heard of: Intel.Now, changing chip families in a computer isn't as simple as changing a CD in your stereo. The entire operating system and every single software program must be rewritten — recompiled, the geeks would say — to speak the new chip's language. That process can take weeks or months.But Apple deemed the big transition to be worth the effort. In return, it gets the state of the art in laptop horsepower: Intel's new Core Duo chip, which bears two electronic brains instead of one. By the end of this year, every Macintosh model will receive an Intel brain transplant. (The same Core Duo chip, running at the same speeds, is also showing up in new Windows laptops. And no, the Intel chip does not make a Mac vulnerable to Windows viruses. It does, however, mean that in theory, with the help of a conversion kit that someone will surely write, a Mac could run Windows.)Last month, Apple put an Intel chip into the iMac; on Tuesday, it put one into the Mac Mini. And this week, the first Mac laptop containing the Intel processor is reaching customers — a 15-inch PowerBook that's been inexplicably renamed the MacBook Pro. (Why do Mac fans despise the new name so much? Partly because all those harsh consonants — K, K, P — make the name uglier and harder to say.)APPLE calls the MacBook "the finest laptop in the world." In truth, a more accurate description would be "the finest laptop in the world, with a small serving of disappointment on the side."You can see why Apple might be fond of its latest machine. The one-inch-thick MacBook is only 0.1 inch thinner than the PowerBook, but somehow feels worlds sleeker and more futuristic. Fit, finish and quality are spectacular. The wireless antenna has been moved, so Wi-Fi reception is much improved. The guts, from the bus (circuitry) to the graphics card, have been substantially accelerated. Battery life is pretty much the same as on the PowerBooks: 3 to 3.5 hours. The MacBook trumps its predecessor in five substantial areas. First, the gorgeous, 1,440-by-900-pixel screen is much whiter and brighter. It's very, very bright. At half brightness, it matches the brightest setting of other laptops; at full brightness, it could illuminate a runway. It's really bright.Second, a tiny video camera is tucked inconspicuously above the screen. It's ideal for taking Web pictures (640 by 480 pixels), capturing video or creating video blogs to post online. (The laptop's bounteous software collection includes programs for making blogs, Web sites, videos and podcasts.)Better yet, the camera makes the MacBook a perfect companion to the iChat program, which lets you hold smooth, full-screen video conferences with up to three other people over the Internet — free. Other Mac laptops can join such virtual meetings (using an external camera), but the MacBook is the first laptop with the horsepower to start one. (One high-speed Mac must be the "host" of an iChat conference; slower machines connect afterward.)The third enhancement is a slim finger-length remote control. You can use it to operate the MacBook from across the room, summoning slide shows of your photos, concerts of your music collection, playbacks of your movies or playback of a DVD you've inserted.In addition, there's a new power cord. Now, most people probably wouldn't consider a laptop's power cord worth writing home about, let alone taking up precious newspaper space. But this one's a breakthrough. It attaches to the laptop magnetically. If someone trips on the cord — which, in the real world of laptops, is practically an inevitability — your $2,000 computer doesn't crash to the floor. Instead, the cord politely detaches and drops, leaving the laptop sitting exactly where it was, grinning away on battery power. This new connector still lights up helpfully to indicate that it's plugged into a working outlet. On the other hand, the white plastic power brick — in the middle of the cord — is much bigger and bulkier than before. And, of course, the new connector means that you can no longer interchange the cord with that of any other Mac laptop, as Apple fans have been able to do for years. The biggest change of all, though, is in the MacBook's speed. It's nothing like the 4X or 5X speedup measured by Apple's benchmarks. Even so, this machine flies. It starts up fast, programs open fast, iTunes imports CD's fast, iMovie processes high-definition video fast and Web pages blink onto the screen, fully formed. This laptop makes you aware of how many little pauses you've been tolerating on your old computer. Note, though, that all of that speed is available only when you're using programs that have been revised to work with the Intel chip — so-called Universal programs. In that category, you'll find Mac OS X itself; all of the programs that come with the MacBook (iTunes, iMovie, iPhoto, Web browser, e-mail program, calendar and address book, and so on); over 900 programs from other companies (they're listed at; and, later this month, Apple's professional programs (Final Cut, Aperture and so on).Unfortunately, most of the big-name programs, like Microsoft Office and Adobe everything, won't be released in Universal format for quite some time. These older programs still run acceptably on the MacBook, thanks to the magic of Apple's smooth, invisible translation software. But they run slowly, with pauses here and there. Even Photoshop runs all right, although photo editors won't want MacBooks as their primary Photoshop machines.Now, Apple always giveth and taketh away. This time around, though, Apple hath taken away quite a few PowerBook features. The S-video connector, for high-quality TV playback of movies, is gone — a weird omission, considering the multimedia emphasis implied by the new remote control. (You can restore the S-video jack with a $20 accessory cable.) The FireWire 800 connector, for high-speed hard drives, is also missing. The DVD burner is only half as fast as the previous model (4X instead of 8X) and can no longer burn dual-layer DVD discs. Current PC expansion cards (including high-speed cellular Internet cards) don't work or fit in the new narrow-format ExpressCard slot. Most mystifying of all, Apple has removed the laptop's dial-up modem, so you can no longer send or receive faxes. You can't go online in hotels that don't offer high-speed connections (or that charge way too much for them), either. Apple points out that you can buy its tiny external modem for $50, but that's another piece to pack, track and lose.It's also worth noting that a few programs, here and there, will require updates to iron out problems on the Intel Macs. They include the Now Up-to-Date calendar (the menu-bar list of today's appointments doesn't appear), Microsoft Virtual PC (doesn't run at all) and, at least on my test system, Microsoft Word (jitters like mad when you use the MacBook's "drag on the trackpad with two fingers to scroll" trick). And programs designed for pre-Mac OS X machines, now called Classic programs, don't run on any Intel Macs and never will. Over all, the MacBook Pro is a beautifully engineered machine. If it's not the world's finest, it's darned close. (Apple hints that its 12-inch and 17-inch siblings are on the way.) But in so many ways, it's a forward-thinking laptop. It won't achieve true greatness until the important programs have been rewritten for the Core Duo chip's blazing speed, expansion cards for the new slot are available, and wireless Internet is offered by every hotel, bed-and-breakfast and friend's house. Until then, call it the MacBook Po — for Potential.E-mail:

    Edited by DeVizardof OZ:D
  2. mulletman13 macrumors 6502a


    Jul 1, 2004
    Los Angeles.

    Please add a couple of line breaks in there... realllllllllly hard to read all of that... doesn't have to make sense where they are, just please add some breaks into it and I may be more reluctant to read it.
  3. risc macrumors 68030


    Jul 23, 2004
    Melbourne, Australia
    I'm sorry but did you just paste something from the NY Times? If so how about a link so we can actually READ it?
  4. brikeh macrumors 6502a


    Jan 24, 2006
    Aaaaargh Im blind, and Ive now got a headache. :eek: The MacBooks are beautiful machines indeed but I just ordered a pb to hold me over til rev b. :rolleyes: :D
  5. iMeowbot macrumors G3


    Aug 30, 2003
    Ny Times link for a readable version. There don't appear to be any no-registration-required mirrors at the moment.
  6. GimmeSlack12 macrumors 603


    Apr 29, 2005
    San Francisco
    Well I'm still not reading that cause you have to register, and forget that.

    Anyway judging by the thread title I have this to say: Forgiving? No, I actually find people expect Apple to re-invent the wheel everytime they have a media event. And the rumor mills go wild, and people predict that the first flying car will be produced. I think Apple Fans are growing more unreasonable with their expectations of Apple products. The iPod, and iMac are the lightning in the bottle, and Apple has been able to keep it sealed in that bottle for about 7 years now (iMac), and 5 years for the iPod.

    When a simple upgrade is produced everyone feels let down, and moans about it (some not all). And I think that it's kinda lame, cause they complain based on what they were expecting, which is rarely right.

    It is funny that this Mac Mini, and iPod hi-fi was predicted, and yet everyone is still a bit letdown. I don't think Apple fans in the end are forgiving. Rather they forget and move onto the next set of unreasonable rumors.
  7. Mitthrawnuruodo Moderator emeritus


    Mar 10, 2004
    Bergen, Norway
    With formatting... ;)

  8. Deepdale macrumors 68000


    May 4, 2005
    New York
    And what a difference it makes ... thanks.
  9. jadekitty24 macrumors 65816


    Oct 19, 2005
    The poor section of Connecticut
    Holy cow...I've been known to drag one sentence out into a long-winded unnecessary paragraph, but I have now officially been beaten.
    *steps down from throne*
  10. kretzy macrumors 604


    Sep 11, 2004
    Canberra, Australia
    Thanks for fixing it up! I wouldn't have read it otherwise. ;)

    Quite a good article, nice and balanced and omitted very little.
  11. Timepass macrumors 65816

    Jan 4, 2005
    ah the joys of bug me not, making it so much easier to read that thing.

    That being said intersting argument. does bring up a valid point on the fact that the apple fans let apple get away with almost anything. Mind you that being said apple seems to be loosing a little more of that with each passing day. I starting to thing a lot of the fans are starting to say enough is enough and more willing to bash apple in each of it choices but as a whole apple fans let apple get away with way to much. Few examples where bougth up in the artical. Some another one is the graphic card in the new mini. I pretty sure I can think of some others.
  12. notjustjay macrumors 603


    Sep 19, 2003
    Canada, eh?
    It's been said before by someone in this thread (and elsewhere), but I'll say it again.

    Are people here too forgiving? Certainly not here on MacRumors, where we collectively somehow take whatever Apple pre-announces and builds it up into the Next Big Thing, and then swear up and down at Apple and Steve Jobs when these things, the products of our own imaginations, do not come to pass.

    Witness the recent "fun new products" announcement. Apple promised nothing. Yet the forums here were buzzing with speculation: new touchscreen iPods! Apple PDA! Mac Tablets! iTunes movie downloads! New iBooks! Mac Mini with DVR capability and high end hardware for under $499! Revolutionary new computing products!

    And then when Apple makes its announcement, we rate it with thousands of negatives because it didn't meet up with our expectations -- expectations WE created out of OUR OWN hype.

    You think Steve Jobs has a Reality Distortion Field? There's a much bigger one surrounding the MacRumors forums.

    As for the J.C. issue that munkee raised, I am on his side actually, but thick-skinned enough to ignore it if someone else isn't willing to be courteous enough to respect my religious freedoms. :rolleyes:
  13. TBi macrumors 68030


    Jul 26, 2005
    All i said was that you should respect his decision to use that word. He did not know you would get offended until you said you were. The second time he posted he knew you would get offended though and that is a different matter.
  14. shrimpdesign macrumors 6502a


    Dec 9, 2005
    So you didn't read the first post. Otherwise you'd know that the story being discussed is about the MacBook Pros.

    Next time read the article.
  15. DeVizardofOZ thread starter macrumors regular


    Jan 12, 2006
    Antarctica City;)
    Well, looks like "almost" noone here cares much about the FACTS in the article I posted. NO, I did not write it, but at least I ask the APPLE FANS here, what on earth is the matter with you? :D
    I think Steve J is a smart guy, but shouldn't we ask WHY such a novel of a LAPTOP only has 2 USB ports, why not this and not that especially, why no double layer double speed Superdrive. Do we have to find an excuse, when the keyboard is missing, ahem oh yeah, Stvee must have a good reason for doing this or that... I see it this way: He gave us something (some we did not want) and took some away... (same) haha. Lucky he let us have the screen (60pix less)
    Boy are we a forgiving bunch:confused:
    Just tickling a bit.
  16. notjustjay macrumors 603


    Sep 19, 2003
    Canada, eh?
    Well, if the alternative is to buy Dell... :eek:
  17. plinkoman macrumors 65816


    Jul 2, 2003
    New York
    well, i suppose he has a point. i'm among those who are pissed at the integrated graphics on the intel mini, but i'll get over it since i don't intend on buying one anyway, and i really hate how they took firewire out of the iPod, and I loathe for the day that i have to fill up an iPod with crappy usb, but considering the alternatives, i think i'll go a head and forgive apple and deal with it. :eek: :cool:
  18. DeVizardofOZ thread starter macrumors regular


    Jan 12, 2006
    Antarctica City;)
    Thanks pinkoman...

    for setting the record straight. Those who fiddled with "the WORD?" did not really read the article, which is quite neutral.
    I find it strange, that some always have put down other laptop makers, who do serve more than 90% of those who 'did aparently not yet' get Steveees message, haha:D
    Mr. Jobs has to answer to his shareholders, just as any CEO, but since PB and MBP are supposedly state of the art, I simply tried to point out, that he gave something, and took some away, FW800, DLDVD, MODEM, 60Pix on the screen, etc. We got a camera (which may pose a security problem for some corporations) for asmaller screen, which some find not soo good.
    I strongly believe, that by taking away some of these goodies, they make more money on @ laptop. Good only for APPLE and their hareholders.:mad:
  19. unixfool macrumors 6502a

    Jan 21, 2006
    Northern VA
    I've lost count of the amount of posts explaining why some of the features such as FW800 and DLDVD were left off of the MBP. They are valid reasons. You can't have every single feature known to man built into a laptop (or desktop, for that matter. There's always going to be a give/take relationship with any product, whether its cars, computers or what not.

    The customer ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS has the power to deny purchasing what he/she doesn't want. Don't like the feature set, don't buy it. If you don't own it, don't cry about something you don't own. Seems simple to me...
  20. budugu macrumors 6502

    Sep 8, 2004
    Boston, MA
    It is the rationality of things ... Apple will never stick to the industry standard and frankly this time i am using my power :p. My powerbook 12" is going to be the last apple computer. If thinkpads can have 3 USB ports .. full PC/EXP cards with all the bells (actually be of a small form factor ?) and wistles an apple macbook can too ... it is some times just futile to go to extreme lengths to cut down what 0.1" (actually make it wider by 0.4"?). these people are beyond any one's imagination ... i used to think they really think different ... to me apple is just a fool hardy company with a bunch of fool hardy idiots running it and another bunch of fool hardy idiots buying it!
  21. portent macrumors 6502a

    Feb 17, 2004
    Forgiving of what?

    The stupid name?
    The use of 34mm ExpressCard instead of 54mm or CardBus?
    The switch to Intel?

    I've seen lots of griping about each of those, and very little forgiveness.

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