Art teacher in hot water over topless photos

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  1. Electro Funk macrumors 65816

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    http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/16/naked.teacher.ap/index.html


    AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Until they found the topless photos, Austin High School officials considered Tamara Hoover an excellent art teacher with a knack for helping students find their creativity.

    Now, she's fighting for her job.

    The photos, which were posted on Flickr.com by her partner, depict Hoover in the shower, lifting weights, getting dressed, in bed and doing other routine activities.

    Hoover said Friday the photos are art and makes no apologies.

    "I'm an artist and I'm going to participate in the arts," Hoover said. "If that's not something they want me to do then I want to be told that. I don't feel as if I was doing anything that was beyond expectations."

    The school district said the photos were inappropriate and violate the "higher moral standard" expected of public school teachers. As she was escorted out of class last month she was told that she's become an ineffective teacher.

    The district wants to revoke her teaching certification, which would keep her out of Texas classrooms permanently. Hoover will appeal the ruling and is prepared to take the case to court, she said.

    Hoover's abrupt dismissal highlights a new concern for employees: Your boss has Internet access, too.

    "People don't realize when they put their entire diary out there, they're giving very private information to the public," said Kate Brooks, director of career services for liberal arts students at the University of Texas at Austin.

    The photos came to light last month as a result of a feud over ceramics equipment with another art teacher, according to sworn affidavits. Students who had seen the pictures showed the teacher, who then notified school officials.

    Austen Clements, one of Hoover's students, noted that many artists have nude pictures, including Georgia O'Keeffe.

    "If Georgia O'Keeffe wanted to teach at Austin High, I don't think they'd say, 'No, you have nude pictures online,"' Clements said.

    The school was attended by President Bush's daughters, Barbara and Jenna.

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    The pics on flickr can be found without much effort....

    Should she be fired? i found them to be rather harmless... Some are a bit bizaar, but i found them far from pornograpghy in my opinion.... others would disagree i guess...

    what do you think?
     
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    Can you provide the Flickr link with a warning so I don't have to play Clue? ;)
     
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    hahahha i hated clue
     
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    I'd have to see the pictures before I passed my judgement.
     
  6. Phat_Pat macrumors 68000

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    if there topless photos that can be considered art thats fine... just be ready for weird stares from your students

    if shes standing next to a vibrating bed with a weight in one hand and a whip in another... than wii may have a problem

    someone grab the link
     
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    i think the photos have been taken off of flikr. I saw them before they were taken off, and i must say she must have led a wild life. she looks less like a 29 year old art teacher and more like a 50 year old lifetime chain smoker. The photos overall seem very benign, nothing to get upset over, except the part about her being naked. It's not like she strattling a midget or anything. :rolleyes:

    Here is her myspace
    http://myspace.com/mshoover
     
  8. Electro Funk thread starter macrumors 65816

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    for you iGary.... anything :p

    links to the flickr photos can be found here....

    http://forums.klbjfm.com/index.php?showtopic=35207

    read through a few posts and more than a few poeple have linked to some of the pages....

    the first link has no nudes, the rest of the links do... (i think)
     
  9. skunk macrumors G4

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    Looks harmless enough, and certainly not a chain-smoking 50-year old.
     

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    That means you better have the homework submitted on time or else! Nothing like a real incentive to keep me in good standing.
     
  11. Electro Funk thread starter macrumors 65816

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    i love that word :D
     
  12. Deepdale macrumors 68000

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    Don't we all?
     
  13. Electro Funk thread starter macrumors 65816

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    look at j26's link.... there are nudes of her in the tub...etc....

    Whilst i still think they are harmless, obviously others do not....
     
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    If I was back in HS, I'd be up for detention all next week.
     
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    Detention? i'd be up for out of school suspension! :p

    oh whait... that did happen anyways... :eek: (but im not telling why!) :D
     
  17. QuarterSwede macrumors G3

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    Sure this is considered art. Who can say otherwise? The problem here is that she is teaching art to a very impressionable age group (this isn't college were they are mature enough to handle the topic). I know she isn't teaching the art of nude photography or painting, etc. but she needs to understand that she is still a teacher when she is not teaching and represents her school when not at work.

    Also, Georgia O'Keeffe is a bad example since the school would be hiring her with the understanding that she has nude photos prior to her employment.
     
  18. Leareth macrumors 68000

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    Not porn .

    You know this is a story from the US, in Europe they would not give a damn about a topless woman
    or nudes that dont show anything .

    The porn these "impressionable" young people are watching in much much worse than this .
    plus havent they seen a naked person by now?
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    maybe being raised in europe and seeing my profs on the beach mostly top less did alter my outlook on nudity and such. but I have found North America to be just prudish when it comes to showing off all skin as opposed to the skanky items that pass as clothes you see in magazines, posters and in schools.
     
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    It disgusts me how uptight the US is with regards to nudity. Nudity is the most natural thing in the world and they treat it like some sort of dirty sin.

    For example in movies, if there is just a brief sexual scene like a womans ass, the movie will automatically get an R rating.

    I remember Lost in Translation received an R rating in the US, just because of one short scene when you see a woman topless. The rest of the film was PG, there wasn't any cursing or any other unsuitable content. In Canada, the film got a PG rating.
     
  20. sorryiwasdreami macrumors 6502a

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    If she's fired, freedom of speech doesn't exist.
     
  21. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    I wonder, does Texas still do the stocks, public flogging, dunking and burning at the stake? It's so hard to know which is the most appropriate Medieval punishment for the crime of being such a wanton floozie.
     
  22. AoWolf macrumors 6502a

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    Because showing pictures of herself nude is speech?

    Moral or not you have to look at this from her employers point of view. If the public sees this as a bad thing they will be seen in a bad light. If the school was a private company she would be gone the next day. This was not a private thing either it was posted on the internet.
     
  23. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    Actually, yes. The Supreme Court decided long ago that art was protected under the First Amendment (which, if you read it you will find, protects more than free speech).
     

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