As if I needed any further proof....

Discussion in 'Community' started by SiliconAddict, Mar 10, 2004.

  1. SiliconAddict macrumors 603

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    I never cared for Hummers. SUV's already are an affront to my sensibilities. Hummers for me are concentrated SUV's. They just irk me when I seem them. Its splurging for the sake of splurging. *shakes head* back on topic.
    So last Sunday I was wardriving on the U of M campus. I move into the Dinkytown area and am making my way down a rather dark street. At the end I see two reflectors. Fine. Someone is parked on the street. I get closer and can make out a boxy shape. Hmm. I get closer and see that its olive green. *Rolls eyes* Stupid hummers. So I get within 50 feet and realize that its not a Hummer. Its one of those big garbage bins that people use when they are doing construction. In this case it was a house.
    So in conclusion. Hummers are $100,000 garbage bins on wheels. Life's little ironies continues to amuse me.
     
  2. iJon macrumors 604

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    i like them, i wouldnt own one personally just cause they are to big for my liking. they would make great offroading vehicles, but i like my jeep more. its smaller and i can fit into tight places that the hummer wish it could go to. plus the reliability on the hummers are awful from what ive heard, also according to the latest consumer reports. i has happy to see my 2003 liberty was perfect in every category and recommended pick. but also you said they are 100 grand, which means you are referring to the h1's. they are awesome vehicles and serve their purpose quite well, whether you like them or not.

    iJon
     
  3. sonofslim macrumors 6502a

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    unfortunately, plenty of people think their purpose is to tie up two lanes of traffic in midtown manhattan. which, admittedly, they do accomplish quite well.
     
  4. iJon macrumors 604

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    well i coulnt imagine driving it in manhattan either, that would see rather pointless. if i had enough money to buy a h1, i would probably buy a smaller town car, but who knows.

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  5. evil macrumors 6502

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    yeah i see those stupid hummers in downtown toronto all the time.
    the other suv that i really find stupid is the porsche cayanne.

    ugh
     
  6. Powerbook G5 macrumors 68040

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    I find all SUVs that are used to go to the grocery store and pick the kids up from work as a sad, pathetic waste and yet another sign that Americans are in the wrong mindset when it comes to safety and efficiency. If people bought Jeeps and Hummers to go off-roading and all those things that they are designed for, then more power to them, at least they are using them for something besides sucking up gas and making the roads less safe for the rest of us.
     
  7. takao macrumors 68040

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    well the hummer never was designed for good looks ;)

    and actually the porsche cheyenne is outselling the porsche 911 by 8:1 in america most bought porsche since years...americans just like it big ;-)

    if this would have been a american vehicle i guess it would be driving around like the hummer as well:
    http://www.waffenhq.de/panzer/zobel.html
     
  8. SiliconAddict thread starter macrumors 603

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    :eek: takao! Hide that dang picture! You are going to give someone ideas.
     
  9. iJon macrumors 604

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    seems to me that putting the jeeps with the hummers is a little off. yes i am one of those people who off roads in my jeep, but even if i didnt iwouldnt feel bad about my liberty. for one the hummers gets less than half of the mpg than the liberty. a lot of people like knowing that when it snows heavily or gets slick they can kick it into 4wd and be much safer, but at teh same time an experienced driver can drive through snow with any car and be safe. and i dont know what makes the jeep so much unsafer than say a car. yeah its top heavy, but if you follow the speed limit you dont have to worry about the car tiping over. jeep is making them better, they are coming out with a turbo disel liberty this fall. torque of a v8, speed of a v6, and fuel economy of a v4. im a huge jeep fan and i just like to defend my car, whether my opinion be right or wrong.

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  10. JamesDPS macrumors regular

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    Gotta admit, that Zobel is kind of awesome looking. Anyway, H2 totally sucks -- it's built on a Suburban chassis, and the clearance at the transfer cases is aweful... it's definitely a soccer mom car and is probably pretty mediocre off-road (especially given its wide stance).

    The original Hummer is a different story, as it's clearly a true off-roading car, but as pointed out, it's a military vehicle that should never have been made street-legal due to its wideness, poor visibility in traffic, etc. But they don't bother me like H2's do.

    As for true offroading (nearly anywhere except a desert), the narrowness of jeeps give them a slight edge, but Wranglers are still really unstable unless you modify the hell out of them so that they don't roll over. Gotta go with Land Rover on this one -- Discos and Range Rovers are great off-road, but for the true experience, nothing beats the Defender (D90 and D110). Too bad they stopped making US spec Defenders a while ago (they're starting to go up in value if you have one!).

    Still, if I hadbucks, would have to go with a Range Rover (and a sports car -- perfect combo). Like everyone in LA, sure I don't go off-roading all that much, but on the other hand my current car (a 99 mitsu eclipse w/ very thin tires) really doesn't like some of the potholed roads around here. And the RR is just so incredibly comfortable now (the newish "BMW" ones, that is), without being a spongy monstrosity like all the huge American SUVs.
     
  11. Moxiemike macrumors 68020

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    As far as 4wd and slick roads... it doesn't help. ;) SO yea. you can use it when it snows and be justified, oh, maybe like, 10 days out of the year, when there's snow and the street teams haven't cleared them.

    Even then, I must say, my Saab 9-3 turbo performed wonderfully in the snow as any 4wd, especially when I put some chains on the tires. Even when i didn't, the ol' Saab was a true road warrior. I even passed a Jeep Grand Cherokee that was truly off-roading, meaning that it was stuck in an embankment. How's that for 4wd? ;)

    And I was still topping 26 mpg in crappy snowy weather. When the weather is favourable, I get around 29-32 mpg, depending on highway or city mileage. And when I can set the cruise control, I get 36mpg, like I did last year on the way to DC.

    And when you go offroading, which is how often? One weekend a month maybe? So like, 40 days of the year you can justify having an SUV. What about the other 316?

    There's not much of a justification for SUVs at all.
     
  12. takao macrumors 68040

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    and a hummer is more like speed of a V4,torque of a v6, and fuel economy of a 47.6 liter V12 Twin-Turbo Leopard 2 Tank Engine
    :D
     
  13. eyelikeart Moderator emeritus

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    In my opinion, the Hummer H2 is the pinnacle of arrogance & excessiveness in this country. It's ridiculously huge, not very good looking, and overkill for any purpose for which the people who can afford to own these monstrousities.

    Yes, I have a problem with the SUV craze that has taken over this country. Yes, I do believe that the need for such an obnoxiously large vehicle like the H2 is to provide a false umbrella for the insecure.

    No, I don't care if I get flamed here. ;)
     
  14. Moxiemike macrumors 68020

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    I'm with you. You knew that though. BTW, how's that matrix running? Good gas mileage? Lots of room? 4wd? Speedy? Agile? Can fit in parking spaces?

    Hmmm. That's SO ideal... and NOT an SUV. :)

    Rock it man! Rock it!
     
  15. iJon macrumors 604

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    but if i dont have i cant offroad at all. and i never know when im going to offroad. many times everyweekend ill go somewhere where it comes in handy, places i would have never taken my old cars (acura legend and acura tl). its stupid to say that just cause you dont use it everyday for offroading it was a pointless purchase. i have a nice car that i can take many people in places, put lots of stuff in, have fun and go camping, going to moab utah this summer to go slick rock climbing, can go offroading here in the ozarks whenever i . personally i would rather have a car that can do it all no matter when than a car that can do some of it. its all personal preference and hobbies. i like to offroad, i have a jeep, thats enough justification to me.

    iJon
     
  16. eyelikeart Moderator emeritus

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    Yeah it rocks dude. ;)

    It's doing really well. Gas mileage is great. Performance is top notch. It's got lots of space for all my gear, my mountain bike, moving things around, and it's easy to park. :D
     
  17. Moxiemike macrumors 68020

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    Sounds like a fine utilitarian vehicle to me.
     
  18. agreenster macrumors 68000

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    I pulled into a parking space the other day next to a Cadillac Escalade or one of those big frikkin trucks, and noticed that the BUMPER of that vehicle was at my EYE level. Talk about feeling safe. :rolleyes: With idiots on the road with no patience, people in regular cars are nothing but casualities waiting to happen.

    I feel very unsafe.
     
  19. eyelikeart Moderator emeritus

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    That's another issue with them, the level of things as opposed to cars. I cannot tell u how many times I've been blinded by high positioned headlights.

    I hope I'm not contributing to a rant thread here.
     
  20. parrothead macrumors 6502a

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    I agree with you about driving in snow. People use the possibility of driving in snow as an excuse to buy big gas sucking vehicles. I had a little rear wheel drive pickup and drove it in the snow all the time. Snow and ice weren't nothing some snow chains and sandbags didnt overcome. As for hummers, I would consider buying one.... only if I were going to go on a trek across Africa or drive the length of the americas. Even then other vehicles probably would be better. The Landcruiser 78 troopcarrier for example. You Aussies and Kiwis could back me up. Those things are one of the trucks of choice for going out into the bush. Better mileage, more room, and takes up less space than the hummers.

     
  21. parrothead macrumors 6502a

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    that thing looks like it has the ground clearance of a 911. My favorite is the propellors on the front. My German isnt nearly good enough to read that site, but it looks like it is supposed to be amphibious. Also, i have always wanted a car with axes and shovels mounted on the sides.
     
  22. takao macrumors 68040

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    i guess now it's time for some serious offroading
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    SCNR we drove those around like crazy... when going faster than 60mph it is loud as hell and you can't understand those people on the backseats
    at 70mph you think "well that's it im going to die"
    80mph isn't possible even with driving down a mountain street
     
  23. G4scott macrumors 68020

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    I don't agree with the "There is no justification for SUV's at all" idea...

    Try driving a packed, dual-axle trailer that weighs somewhere over 2000 pounds from Michigan to deep south Texas, while still carrying three people and their gear comfortably.

    This is just one of the reasons why my dad drives a suburban. A smaller truck/SUV would have a hard time stopping with that much weight behind it (It was hard enough in a suburban, and the trailer even had breaks), or going up a hill with it. It'd also be bad on the engine, and would give you horrible fuel economy.

    My dad also uses it to transport things like tubas, and large instruments. Things that you can't fit more than one of in a normal sized car.

    Also, towing the boat and taking the family of 5 to the beach for a weekend is another justification.

    Now my mom has a 4 cylinder Subaru outback, my brother and I have a Ford Escort in college, and my little brother drives a 4 cylinder 4 wheel drive Toyota truck.

    There are justifications for SUV's, and sensible people can still own SUV's, and use them, because other vehicles don't get the job done.
     
  24. iJon macrumors 604

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    but come on, unless you tow a boat and go to the lake everyday then there is no justification :rolleyes:. your reasons are similar to why my family owns a suburban, it can just do things my liberty or other cars we have had in the past cant do. we pack 8 people in there and sometimes more for ballgames and other special occasions. also we own a motorhome, it guzzles gas and we dont go camping everyday, i wonder if thats frowned upon.

    iJon
     
  25. parrothead macrumors 6502a

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    I agree with you totally. There are some people that need SUVs for certain things like towing or commercial/recreational activities that require a lot of gear. However I think that SUVs should be niche vehicles that only those people buy instead of everyone buying them. You need a car that can hold lots of groceries? Get one with a big trunk. You need one that can hold a lot of people, get a van or minivan. You need to tow a big trailer regularly, get a suburban. You need to take your kids to soccer practice get a car.

     

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