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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Daveway, May 6, 2005.
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Very interesting article about MS for gay rights.
Microsoft does more than just make good mice and keyboards?!?!
I'm glad that they are taking a stance instead of doing whatever will keep them out of the wrath of the 'holy' right.
Yippee, huzzah! I'll never buy another PC, but this greatly reduces the wrath I generally feel toward Microsoft. Hopefully the Washington Lege will reintroduce the bill before the end of this year's session and see it passed...
What's 'pro-gay'? Is that like being 'pro-war'?
It's all a plot to sell more PCs. All the gay and lesbains who are not Windows users will now rush out and buy Windows, because MS is no longer heartless. I'm not buying that ****. I'm a gay man, and I refuse to buy Windows just because they support legislation to give me the right to do something I should be able to do anyway.
With that said, I am still greatful that they are doing. The more big corperation backing we get, the better, because that's what it all boils down to in this governemnt; who has the most money.
It's like this ******** about Cheney coming to the town I live in. It cost $4,000 to attend a meeting with him. If you can't afford that, there are more econmical options. $1,000 reception where you get to take a photo with him, or a $250 gala that he will probably only poke his head in for 15 minutes. Democracy is a governemnt for all the people, not just the extravagently rich.
Anyway, sorry about going on that little rant. It just makes me angry. The older I get, the more cynical I become.
So, in summation, Microsoft's support of gay rights=a good step ahead.
Actually if you've followed this saga at all (and this story has been bouncing around the internet for a couple weeks now) you'll note that M$ has traditionally been very progressive in it's treatment of homosexuals. It is for that reason the gay community was so up in arms to find out that M$ had basically sold them out under threat from the religious right.
As the story goes, M$ had been paying former Christian Coalition leader, and now GOP strategist Ralph Reed a 5 figure consulting fee which was widely seen as essentially a bribe to keep the Christian right off their backs (quite similar to what Jesse Jackson is accused of doing BTW) under threat of boycott, but they wanted more. They wanted M$ to drop it's support for the proposed legislation, and in a reversal of every previous indicator and action, M$ quietly did so.
The rest, as they say, is history.
Edit: Apparently M$'s general counsel, a guy named Bradford L. Smith, is at the center of the storm He's apparently the one (or the fall guy, depending on who you listen to) who initiated the policy of opposing gay issues.
Hmmm...intersting. I haven't really kept up with that story. I try to worry about things that really matter, like whether to trust the "color safe bleach" on a new cornflower blue dress shirt I bought. Maybe that makes me bad little homo.
I really don't care all that much about who supports who and for what reasons. Although it does amaze me that the supposed, and much feared, downfall of western civilization is me getting the opportunity to marry my boyfriend. I mean, what have they got to fear? Us not having kids to **** up royaly, causing them to become porn stars or criminals? Or is it my living a quiet suburban life, and getting to use his health insurance because I'm an artist and don't have any of my own? My God. I've figured out what the problem is! They're afraid we are going to become friends with their wives and brainwash them to want sex in a position that isn't missionary, and possible bringing some joy and color to their otherwise dull lives! I might have to become straight!
It's like this one comic (can't remember who) said "You would think that pro-lifers and gay people would be natural allies, because who has less abortions than gay people?"
Can't we all just get along? Are we all that different? Are we all that strange? I say invite the religious right over to my house one evening, let them spend some time with me and my man, and let them see how truely dull we too can be, or at least will be as we haven't taken the plung to become all domesticated under one roof.
Sorry to turn this into a gay rights debate if that was not what this thread was intended for, but it's just something I feel strongly about.
Well Microsoft got one thing right this time.
And another the church has got wrong.
Well I guess it's only equal right.
When a company like MS that holds high level talks with foreign leaders and quite literally has the world by the balls, decides to cave in to religious hatred, you know things are really messed up. It's sad because MS has in the past, treated its employees with an unbiased/unbigoted hand.
Great! So, they're right back to where they were before this whole thing blew up in their faces? I'm kinda torn.
But I am glad they did this. It's good to see someone with that much power own up to a mistake and try to make things right again. Better late than never I guess.
Now all they have to do is refuse to let the army use M$ software because it makes them accomplices in an illegal war. Can't see it happening myself...
No don't get me wrong... I meant REVERSING their bad decision. I'm glad they are back to pro-equality.
Well not entirely. Apparently the leader of GLEAM (M$'s gay-lesbian group) has resigned in protest over how the anti-gay policy was developed. The storm isn't over for M$. The company is not only now in a position where the gay community doesn't trust them, but now the religious right is going to feel slighted because M$ backed down on it's promise to stop supporting equal rights for gays and lesbians. Apparently they were threatening a boycott of M$ if they didn't drop support for the legislation, so I would assume there will be an attempt to exact revenge by the nutters.
Meanwhile... Back at infinite loop:
Apple has had an incredibly progressive policy for a VERY long time.
Ex: Apple's Bennefits cover the transgender process including the drugs, counselling and surgery.
Really? That's pretty crazy. Maybe I should get a job at Apple. Not that I want to have a sex change, but they seem to have good benefits. I just need to get a good job with full benefits. I don't care how much they pay me as long as I get some insurance. Well, I care, but you know what I mean.
I need a job in general. Maybe I should be a teacher. Maybe I should just finish college first...