puckhead193 said:doesn't shake to keying....
theWholeTruth said:Just get FCP or AVID. You have keying built-in plus editing. Why waste an extra 500 just for a keying program. Waste of money for the low-end stuff you'll be outputting. If you're really that concerned with keying that you're willing to spend extra money, look into Ultimatte or After Effects...or Autodesk.
cashcows said:Well It seems to me Ultra 2 does as good a job as thoughs. And I would not call a mass produced DVD to be marketed world wide low-end. No it's not TV and or film but I don't to sell a low quality product.
So I guess the Answer is that for the budget minded the PC is the TOP dog for Chroma Keying at this point in time.
theWholeTruth said:How do you come up with that assessment? Have you ever tried keying in AVID or FCP? Either will be fine for what you are doing. Remember, your final output is a DVD, MPEG-2 compression.
By the way, I wasn't making a judgement about the quality of the product. Of course you don't want to sell a low quality product. But if this is supposed to be mass produced to a world wide market, then why aren't you hiring pros? You really need the consultation of people with experience and expertise.
thworple said:Here's a very good plugin for Final Cut Pro and After Effects. Its called Mattenee and is made by a company named Reflecmedia.
They build Chromatte screens, but this plug-in works really well on Blue and Green studio shoots too.
I use it at work, and its keyer is a lot more solid than the in-built keyers in FCP and AE. It even works well on DVCAM (which as jonnyblobby stated isn't always great to shoot on due its compressed nature).
PegasusMedia said:There are literally dozens of software products that will do chroma key. To a great extent, it doesn't matter which one you use. They are all good. Which is "best" for you will have more to do with your preference as far as interface, etc.
More importantly, as we've talked about in earlier threads, green screen work is as much about technique and skill in shoooting as it is about the technical process once you're in the dit suite. If you have well lit, well shot footage, a chroma key is a very easy thing to do. If you have poor footage with hot spots, dark spots, and shadows all over and poor lighting on the foreground subject--no matter what the sales brochure tells you -- your result will be mediocre at best. And that's only if you have the skills to make it mediocre. If not, it will flat out suck.
I've made my living iin this business since 1987, and I've never heard of Ultra 2. It is not the standard by which you should be judging other software. Not to say it's not a fine piece of software...I'm sure it is. But it's not the standard you measure others by.
It's apparent from your posts in the last week that you are an amatuer, and that's cool. We all were. As you get into this hobby, career, wharever you're going with it, you should start by collecting the basics. As software goes, the basics should include Final Cut Studio, After Effects, and Photoshop. Right there you have three great options for chroma keying (FCP, After Effects, and Motion (which I don't really know much about--I'm old and therefore still use After Effects...but I'm sure Motion will chroma key)
If you need more than those programs have to offer, then you are not shooting your green screens properly. However, having said that, for more demanding needs (say you need to deal with transparency of a glass pitcher of water or something), there are a ton of plug ins that will run within FCP or AE. But for your basic talking head over green, there should be no reason to go beyond what is built into these programs.
Finally, as mentioned many times, MiniDV sucks for chroma key footage. Regardless of software, lighting, and everything else, the compression and color sampling of the format make a perfect key a technical impossibitity. Acceptable for many uses, sure, but never ever perfect.
According to my definition of "high end", anything shot on MiniDV for chroma key use does not qualify, even is Steven freakin' Spielberg shot it. So depending on how seriously you want to take your goal of "high end DVD for worldwide distribution", you may need to consider plan B.
LethalWolfe said:The benefit to these work flows is that you are capturing the signal *before* it gets compressed into DV or HDV so it will be of better quality
Sure you can circumvent it as long as the analog outs come between the CCD and the compression in the signal path (which is always the case AFAIK). Of course there will be limiting factors such as lens quality, CCD quality, and especially having to settle for S-Video out (I don't think any con/prosumer SD cameras have component out) so I don't know how much better the image quality will be. Prosumer HD cameras such as the HVX200, Z1U, and HD100 all have component HD out so many people shooting studio green screen work will take the analog HD signal out of the camera and capture directly on a computer to get a higher quality image because they are bypassing the compression.killr_b said:Well, DV, as in DVCPRO, DV25, DVCAM, and HDV is 4:1:1 'out of the CCD.'
You can't circumvent it, but you don't have to record to tape either.
I'm not sure what you mean by "there is a lack of 4:2:2 taped support." There are tape formats that support 4:2:2, 3:1:1, and 4:4:4, also DVCPro 50 and DVCPro HD are 4:2:2 and FW400 handles both of them fine.There is a lack of 4:2:2 'taped' support.
There are certain workflows that can achive higher quality recordings from the same camera because they are tapeless.
SDI was made to handle the transfer of 4:2:2. Firewire won't cut it.
Sure you can circumvent it as long as the analog outs come between the CCD and the compression in the signal path (which is always the case AFAIK). Of course there will be limiting factors such as lens quality, CCD quality, and especially having to settle for S-Video out (I don't think any con/prosumer SD cameras have component out) so I don't know how much better the image quality will be. Prosumer HD cameras such as the HVX200, Z1U, and HD100 all have component HD out so many people shooting studio green screen work will take the analog HD signal out of the camera and capture directly on a computer to get a higher quality image because they are bypassing the compression.
The Canon XLH1 is an HDV camera that has an SDI out and going SDI out into a deck or computer sure as heck gives you a better image than the HDV signal that is recorded to tape. And as I mentioned before some new HDV cameras are shipping w/an HDMI that let you capture the HD signal before it gets compressed as well.
HDV is 4:2:0, btw.
I'm not sure what you mean by "there is a lack of 4:2:2 taped support." There are tape formats that support 4:2:2, 3:1:1, and 4:4:4, also DVCPro 50 and DVCPro HD are 4:2:2 and FW400 handles both of them fine.
Lethal