OK, Here's tonight's challenge. I have severley limited budget for a new mac (and I can't borrow a few hundred from uncle joe...) and *do* want a new mac. My use is primarily web, email, word, some light web design (dreamweaver), some photoshop/iphoto after vacations, email, and potentially Java and some programming. maybe a game here and there, some itunes, listinign to music, wathihc video/dvds. and, QUIET is a major factor - so the MDD G4 are OUT... For $1200 I can get: 1. G5 1.6 (using an adc discount) combo 2. Older G4 and upgrade w/ sonnet G4 upgrade (slower dual or faster single?) 3. Wait and see if G5 1.8 drops enough after Jan 20. I don;t think a G5 DP will be in my budget - no matter the drop. Right now I am using a Wallstreet 266 - perhaps getting a G4 Upgrade card is enogh for now - but it won;t run an external monitor under OSX. Suggestions?