Ok, I am having a hell of a time trying to figure out what G5 to buy and how. Or worse yet the usual WAIT,, for the various issues to evolve. But considering that the 2.5's are barely shipping. I think that a 2 goger is the best way to go right now. But here is the option. I can buy an educational 2.5 $2,299. I also found a refurb for $2,099 They are both the same, the trick is that I ofcourse want to get a better graphics card, and ram. What method will save me time and money and STRESS? I was comparing these two calcualtions. Any additional info or corrections is appreciated!! ok the EDU 2299. base 315. 9800 xt 90. 250 HD 135. 1 gig ram 71. airport 2910. total refurb 2099. 309. 9800 pro 249. crucial 1.5 ram total 269. EXHD 250 gigs 71. airport 2997. total Now on the refurb I get a little more ram and Hd space. But i plan to also UP both of those as I go along. I think that I am missing something here, though? It just doesnt seem right! Also are there better ATI cards coming? If so then I can make due with the stock card and get the much better one a bit later. That could be a consideration. Also are Refurbished models, units that have had big trouble? And is there stress related issues with buying a refurb? I perfer to pay then stress! I would like to hear anyones ideas on this. Mucho thanks! Also who thinks that there will be new units coming this christmas making the 2.0 cheaper but still great, although not! if they cripple the BUS speed! That would be bad and makes me think that I should be now because I am not too HOT on liquid cooled models! Oh OH ! : I almost forgot!! I read on a few theads here that some refurbs come with uhh extras, that is a gamble of course but heh heh something to think about!