Bill gates dares to speak about apples security

Discussion in ' News Discussion' started by MacBytes, Jan 27, 2004.

  1. macrumors bot

    Jul 5, 2003
  2. macrumors G5

    Sun Baked

    May 19, 2002
    Isn't this like saying a Ford Escort that's always in the repair shop for breakdowns is a more reliable car than a oil change only Lexus, because the Escort is better maintained than the Lexus?
  3. macrumors regular

    Jan 7, 2004
    Yah, Gates is assuming that the other OSs potentially have the same amount of security flaws as Windows.

    But it's hard to say whether the security of Mac OS X is due to the lack of hacker interest or an actually secure OS, so Gates has a fair assumption.
    Maybe the true safety of Mac OS X (and Linux) hasn't been put to the test (yet?).
  4. macrumors 68000


    Aug 11, 2003
    To assume that OS X and Linux are more secure primarily due to "lack of hacker interest" is making quite an enormous assumption I'd say. It has been well documented many times that is not the main factor in why Windows has so many security issues that do not affect their competition.

    This story is just more CYA on Gates' part, usually it's the Sweaty One that is out there rambling such nonsense. The point is that they have a huge security risk problem on their hands that is going to take years (if ever) to clean up. They fully realize this, but as long as people keep paying up for Windows, they really don't have a lot to have to worry about...yet.
  5. macrumors newbie

    May 6, 2003
    The british government give bill gates a knighthood.
    And the next day he's on his high horse!
  6. macrumors 68020


    May 7, 2003
    Saint Augustine, FL
    Does Windows have hackers because of more security holes or security holes because of more hackers? That's a brain noodle.
  7. macrumors 68000


    May 22, 2003
    San Francisco
    All I've to say is this sounds like just more Microsoft FUD.
  8. macrumors 65816


    Sep 1, 2003
    I didn't realize Bill Gates does stand up comedy? Wow, he actually IS talented!
  9. Moderator emeritus


    Oct 5, 2001
    San Diego, CA
    Really? Quick show of hands, who uses the automatic update feature?

    I never do in our lab environment, or personally.
  10. macrumors 65816


    Mar 15, 2003
    In my head
    Does everyone with a Mac online have warnings about security updates automatically appearing? Mine is set for once a week, which could be a long time in virus land. I know viruses arent a deal right now unless you run MS Office, but just for belt and braces, and also as a means for instilling good practice into us, perhaps Apple should have an over-rider for security updates. Not to force launch the update, but to display it perhaps in the menubar, until it is installed. Assuming security patches are issued because they are really important, I wouldn't take that small imposition as a Big Brother type move.
  11. macrumors 6502


    Jul 17, 2002

  12. macrumors regular

    Jul 8, 2003
    Makes me wonder if he is getting afraid of Linux and the Mac. Why else would he try to create negative press for the other two operating systems?

    He is right in a way, and in others he is completely wrong. To give Outlook the ability to communicate with the operating system the way it does was a serious flaw in their design. Can he just admit that?
  13. macrumors member

    Jan 6, 2004
    Spin Doctor

    What a wonderfull job of spinning your softwares biggest weakness as possibly, ultimately, its biggest strength!

    People don't load patches because they often lead to even worse problems making the cure worse than the disease.
  14. macrumors regular

    Jul 17, 2002
    The thousands of Windows systems where I work are behind a very effective firewall, and most are totally locked down so the users can't do administrative tasks. Nobody could use the automatic update even if he wanted to.
  15. macrumors regular

    Jul 17, 2002
    As long as we don't end up with a Microsoft proprietary protocol to replace SMTP, or an IEEE standard with Microsoft "enhancements", I'll agree with the need to have authenticated sender identity. It's already possible using public key cryptographic systems.
  16. Moderator emeritus


    Oct 5, 2001
    San Diego, CA
    Exactly. I'm not sure where this "virtually all" claim is coming from, other than Bill's nether region. ;)
  17. macrumors 68030


    May 7, 2002
    2 Much Infinite Loops
    i always thought a man who is "wise" enough to earn that much money would be wise enough to measure his words...

    actually is has been "proven" by experts and journalists :D that at least, the mac is a secure OS.

    i would agree though that a windows user who has the a lot of time, effort and will, might also find a flaw in the os x system.
  18. macrumors 68020


    May 7, 2003
    Saint Augustine, FL
    Probably from Paul Thurrott.
  19. macrumors regular

    Nov 23, 2003
    Phoenix, AZ
    LOL Mark!!!
    Thurott and Gates are jokes.
    Maybe Thurott will get knighted...
  20. macrumors newbie

    Aug 6, 2003
    Gates shows to be very ignorant

    As The New York Times reported back in September:

    Mac OS X and Linux are much more secure than Windows XP. For example:

    - Windows comes with five of its ports open; Mac OS X comes with all of them shut and locked... These ports are precisely what permitted viruses like Blaster to infiltrate millions of PCs. Microsoft says that it won't have an opportunity to close these ports until the next version of Windows, which is a couple of years away.

    - When a program tries to install itself in Mac OS X... a dialog box interrupts your work and asks you permission for that installation -- in fact, requires your account password. Windows XP goes ahead and installs it, potentially without your awareness.

    - Administrator accounts in Windows (and therefore viruses that exploit it) have access to all areas of the operating system. In Mac OS X, even an administrator can't touch the files that drive the operating system itself. A Mac OS X virus (if there were such a thing) could theoretically wipe out all of your files, but wouldn't be able to access anyone else's stuff -- and couldn't touch the operating system itself.

    - No Macintosh e-mail program automatically runs scripts that come attached to incoming messages, as Microsoft Outlook does.

    ...the conclusion is clear: Linux and Mac OS X aren't just more secure because fewer people use them. They're also much harder to crack right out of the box.
  21. macrumors 68040


    Mar 26, 2001
    Over The Rainbow
  22. macrumors regular

    Apr 25, 2001
    Montreal, Canada
    Gob bless Canada...

    you see guys i live in Canada...
    i don't lock my doors at night

    But you can bet that the guy that lives in Philadelphia is locking all his locks, and he's "patched up" his door over and over again so that there are no holes.
    Now, who's safer ?
    Me or the poor bastard that lives down the border ??

    I would say me.

    And remember, OS X's and Linux's doors ARE locked, so for sure they're pretty damn safe !
  23. macrumors 65816


    Oct 6, 2003
    Not a bad analogy. Perhaps a future Apple ad campaign could tell people to "move to a better neigborhood". Of course the ads would have to be careful not to show an ethnic or cultural bias.

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