BlackBerry CEO Says Despite a 'Fantastic Job' With iOS Design, Apple Now Lacks Innovation

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  1. macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    In an interview in The Australian Financial Review (via AllThingsD), Blackberry CEO Thorsten Heins describes iOS as an outdated user interface, claiming that the iPhone is at risk of being replaced in the popularity stakes due to a lack of innovation.

    Heins has firsthand experience of this phenomenon, as BlackBerry has received significant criticism over its lack of innovation as its worldwide smartphone market share has fallen from nearly 20% to just 3.5% over the past three years. The company is hoping for a revival of its fortunes with the Blackberry Z10, which is launching in Australia and the United States in the coming days following debuts in several other countries in recent weeks.

    Apple design chief Jonathan Ive late last year took over responsibility for software as well as hardware design following the departure of former iOS head Scott Forstall, generating great interest in the extent to which Apple may update the user interface in iOS 7.

    Article Link: BlackBerry CEO Says Despite a 'Fantastic Job' With iOS Design, Apple Now Lacks Innovation
  2. macrumors 65816


    Feb 23, 2006
    Ontario, Canada
  3. macrumors 68020


    Jun 11, 2007
    Blackberry never had innovation so they don't know what it means.

    Yes, Apple needs to step it up but BB should be the last one to throw a shot.
  4. macrumors 65816

    Nov 15, 2010
  5. macrumors regular


    Apr 24, 2007
    Manchester, UK
    I agree, but this is just the pot calling the kettle blackberry.
  6. macrumors 68000


    Jul 9, 2010
    here and there
    For now, BB has nothing to offer on this front - let's wait and see if he is turning the company around and introduces some real innovation, and than he might earn the right to say something about this topic - for now, BB is still a fail.
  7. ouimetnick, Mar 18, 2013
    Last edited: Mar 18, 2013

    macrumors 68020


    Aug 28, 2008
    Beverly, Massachusetts
    True very true. Apple is getting defensive because they know they are stale. Thats why they launched the 'Why You'll Love an iPhone' campaign, and Phil Schiller is getting super defensive on Twitter.

    Thats a lie. Other manufactures have higher ppi, and a larger screen. They know they don't have anything special, so they are trying to make the best with what they have. Although I think it is more iOS thats stale rather than the hardware. But twice a year hardware updates are necessary IMHO. Once a year updates are playing catch up, not catching up and going beyond.

    Apple needs to stay above their competitors, not behind.
  8. macrumors 68020


    Jun 10, 2010
    If anyone would have first hand knowledge of losing market leadership because of a lack of (or even perceived lack of) innovation it would be a Blackberry executive.

    This stuff doesn't happen overnight though. It took RIM 2 years to re-brand themselves and bring BB10 to market. We're only a few months into the executive shake up at Apple, so I don't know how much change we can really expect to see in iOS 7.
  9. macrumors 68040


    Sep 16, 2007
    Albuquerque, USA
    I agree, but I'm also not clamoring to go get a Z10.
  10. macrumors 6502a

    szw-mapple fan

    Jul 28, 2012
    Whats BB done thats so innovative?

    Their new OS is just a copy of Android and iOS
  11. macrumors 604


    Nov 26, 2007
    It seems a bit surprising to hear it from a loser, but I guess it shouldn't be.

    After all, Jobs was a loser, once. Do remember that he had to have some humble pie before he learned how to properly take and maintain a lead in the market with the iPod.
  12. macrumors regular

    Feb 19, 2010
    How nice of them, while i agree they should be innovating, i also disagree ... Don't change for the sake of change, you have to find a way that is truly better or the hate of the new product will hurt you more like maps
  13. macrumors 68000

    Mar 15, 2010
    I think he was speaking as an expert on the pitfalls of not innovating. (Seriously)
  14. macrumors 6502a

    Mar 25, 2010
    The thing with the internet is that you really want to watch what you say and know when to keep your mouth shut. Maybe he is right about Apple being behind and all. But if I were him, I'd keep my mouth shut until BlackBerry is showing any "actual" come back on the market. Focus on making your product better, and not running around to make snap comments like this.
  15. macrumors 68020

    Aug 29, 2003
    Toronto, Canada
  16. macrumors 65816


    Feb 7, 2011
    Something folks here would do well to remember.
  17. macrumors 6502

    May 30, 2012
    From BB who also missed this innovation train this judgment sounds even more right.
    Hopefully iwatch will bring some momentum back :D
  18. macrumors 68020

    Dec 13, 2012
    Southern California
    The sooner Apple let's go of the past, and creates a fresh new iPhone the better.

    Instead of using words in their counter attacks by the likes of Phil Schiller et al, why not take _Action_ and show the world just how great Apple can be.

    A novel idea, I know, but one that has produced results far better than being complacent, while resting on their past laurels.

    Oh sure, the arguments will focus on current profits off the sheer strength of the brand, but nothing lasts forever.
  19. macrumors 6502a

    May 3, 2011
    Wait, blackberry is saying another company lacks innovation? Blackberry released the same phones each year with very minor spec bumps.

    How long did it take BB to get a webkit browser? And when we did get a webkit browser, it sucked majorly.

    Apple needs to innovate, no doubt about that. Their hardware is stellar, their customer service is better than all others, but their OS lacks freshness.
  20. macrumors 6502

    Oct 28, 2008
    I agree, but really BB is just now only following in Apple's footsteps. Granted there are some nice features in 10... however they should have been there 2 years ago. BB is still missing the 'wow' factor.
  21. justperry, Mar 18, 2013
    Last edited: Mar 18, 2013

    macrumors 603


    For first time users iOS is by no means stale and still is the better OS, it's its users which gets bored by it.

    As for BB, I would recommend them to only use their Icon on their phones and remove the "Blackberry" from it's phones, would be much better and is still very much recognisable.
  22. macrumors G5


    Nov 14, 2011
    So it's only about higher ppi? So the company that has the highest ppi in their display automatically has the best display?
  23. macrumors regular

    Mar 8, 2011
    I agree and it sucks. I'll be giving up my iPhone 5 for the S4. If the iOS7 is interesting the phone will come out the cabinet.

    But any of you who seriously think that iOS isn't stale and lacking and the iPhone isn't stagnating are truly lying to yourselves.

    S beam should have been an iPhone feature from the start.

    I love tech, and i feel it just so happened to be Apples decades, and that might be over.
  24. macrumors 6502a


    Dec 26, 2008
    Calgary, AB
    I think Heins has been reading Macrumors comments. Same whiney complaints I've been reading for months.

    Also: I don't think he should be talking about innovation when the number one solution to a blackberry problem is "battery pull".
  25. macrumors newbie

    Jul 15, 2010

    I can remember Mr. Jobs saying the iphone was five years ahead of the next competitor five years ago....

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