Blu-Ray playback?

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  1. princealfie macrumors 68030

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    where are we going to be getting the graphic cards and monitor with HDCP compliance that we can play back Blu-Ray discs on our Powermacs?
     
  2. Digital Fury macrumors member

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    Thanks to Apple's culture of secrecy, only Steve knows.
     
  3. steamboat26 macrumors 65816

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    If i had to venture a guess, I would say that we won't get that until a clear winner is chosen. Even though apple backs blu-ray, i doubt they would want to invest money in producing new monitors and computers with blu-ray, only to have it lose out.
     
  4. slughead macrumors 68030

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    HAHAHAHAHA

    You don't need nor WANT HDCP!

    Silly goose.

    HDCP is a big pile of donkey crap made by the media companies to stifle your ability to play "unauthorized content".

    If you don't have HDCP, you can play whatever you want. If they try and enable the ICP flag on you, just rip the bugger or play it with VLC.
     
  5. princealfie thread starter macrumors 68030

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    But does VLC support Blu-Ray playback?
     
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    Slysoft's AnyDVD-HD is the only reason I would install a Windows partition on my Mac, and just for this very reason.
     
  8. snagitseven macrumors member

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    Lose out to what? HD-DVD is dead. Toshiba has pulled the plug. Blu-Ray is the only one standing now.
     
  9. hugh1988 macrumors newbie

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    yes blu-ray is the only one standing now, but that still doesnt mean we can play them on Mac OS, even with an a blu-ray drive.

    I'm sure VLC will be working on this
     
  10. velocityg4 macrumors 68040

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    Wow, thank you for that. I did not think any software like this existed yet.

    I had been thinking about a very expensive replacement of my Gaming PC include HD playback. Which would have required using that resource hog Vista and HDCP compliance. With those two out of the way I can build an XP machine of much lower specs than a Vista machine to get the same performance. That or just simply add a Bluray drive and an LCD to my current rig.
     
  11. aibo macrumors 6502

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    looking forward to VLC getting blu-ray playback.
    does anyone actually use the Apple DVD Player? ... I guess if you like the inability to scrub forward or back.

    VLC is all that matters. If/when VLC gets blue-ray playback, you can slap a blu-ray drive in your mac pro and you're good to go. no need to wait for apple.
     
  12. jason999 macrumors member

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    This is why Apple are so far behind Windows op systems and for ibm compat pc's.

    The software and hardware for blu ray play back has been around for the best part of two years. I own the Pioneer 4x blu ray burner and it works really well on windows xp.

    Many brands of ibm compat hardware out for video cards and screens.
    Only need to do a google search to find this out.

    Lets see, asus, leadtek, ati, nvidia, gigabyte etc.....
    Software brands - cyberlink, Ulead, Ahead, etc........

    I own both a Mac and an Ibm compat with windows xp pro.
    Mainly use xp pro. Only use the Mac when we get the very odd client that has Mac docs they want printed or designing mags with but mainly use adobe photoshop on the Windows xp pro for that.

    At the office we have most computers set for xp pro with only a few for Macs.

    I use a samsung 2243 which is 1650 x 1050. There are some newer ones that are 1080p (1920 x 1080p) with hdmi for xp/vista. Blu ray on the 2243 displays rather well. A 1080p screen at work looks quite stunning. If they ever get down to $500 oz for 1080p screens I may buy one.
     
  13. CWallace macrumors 601

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    I believe the graphics card themselves support HDCP, however we need it on the Apple Cinema Displays, as well.
     
  14. yeroen macrumors 6502a

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    The software that only runs on the "other OS" is necessary to circumvent all the HDCP bullscheisse that makes watching commercial Blu-Ray impossible given Apple's current non-HDCP compliant pipeline. I wish it were otherwise, but until it is, installing the other hateful OS is the only solution.

    And Toast allows for burning Blu-Ray discs, but includes no player to view whatever HD content is on them. For Mac, there is nothing yet equivalent to PowerDVD for Windows.
     
  15. Lord Zedd macrumors 6502a

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    Somebody needs to hop on the bandwagon and make something! :rolleyes:
     
  16. hugh1988 macrumors newbie

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    I know toast can play HD content, but can it decrypt the copy protection of commercial Blu-rays/HDDVDs?

    VLC and Apple DVD player can both play HD video but not commercial ones because of the copy protection.

    Does toast 9 with the HD add on play encrypeted blu-rays?
     
  17. TheStrudel macrumors 65816

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    Actually, I'm not so sure we'll ever see VLC gain blu-ray support - what with the proprietary DRM wrapped up with blu-ray, I think it's a bit much to ask that open source (and legal) project to go where lots of other software has already gone. As a point of interest, VLC can already play all of the blu-ray formats, but playing them from the disc involves the whole HDCP scheme, unless I'm mistaken.
     
  18. Lord Zedd macrumors 6502a

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    Incorrect. It will only allow you to read and burn Bluray discs, it will not let you watch movies.
     
  19. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

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    If people don't know whether or not they're being fallacious, they shouldn't be making comments. Toast doesn't let you play Blu-ray movies in OS X.
     
  20. MaddMacs macrumors 6502

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    So if Toast 9 can burn blu-ray video content, but cannot display it, and you have to go to Windoze and use AnyDVD to view it, do you have to have a HDCP display (even though the Toast content is not DRM protected)? For example if I have a client that needs HD video, can I view it in Windoze on my 20" ACD?
     
  21. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

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    Let me see if I have this correct about OS X:

    OS X cannot play HD DVDs or Blu-ray discs with HDCP protection.

    OS X can burn data to Blu-ray.
    OS X can burn data to HD DVD.

    OS X can burn HD video to HD DVDs made in Final Cut Studio and then play them back because of a lack of HDCP.

    OS X cannot burn HD video to Blu-ray, and therefore cannot play them back.

    OS X can also burn SD video to Blu-ray and HD DVD... but can it play that back?
     
  22. benpatient macrumors 68000

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    if you add "with 3rd party software" after "OS X can" then yes, you've got it straight.

    It is looking like Apple expects what I've been expecting since they announced the two formats wouldn't merge 3-4 years ago—both formats fail.

    Toshiba will end up losing less money in the long run because they pulled out sooner. Notice that Disney/Pixar (Steve Jobs) aren't releasing all of their big-time movies that they already have HD masters for on Blu-Ray? Only titles that have come to DVD since BR and HD-DVD hit the market are available.

    No Finding Nemo or Incredibles or Monsters Inc or Lion King or Fantasia or Mary Poppins or Sleeping Beauty. They are waiting for the format to die and investing as little as possible to keep up appearances in the mean time. Either we'll see a new HD physical media (unlikely) to bind them all, or we will see the effective end of physical media. Blu-Ray won the HD video optical disc format battle, but they are 3/4ths of the way through losing the larger war. Bandwidth may seem to be lagging behind (in most of the country, it is) but it grows exponentially, not linearly. Just a few years ago, stereo audio files required a non-trivial amount of bandwidth for the average user. Now they are essentially instant in most urban and suburban areas. hard drives are in the middle of their biggest change since the multi-platter disc. SSDs will keep halving in price and doubling in capacity every 6-12 months. That means 2TB SSDs for 300 bucks in just 3-4 years. That, coupled with a 20-40mb/sec FIOS connection equals large-scale local storage of HD video the way people store audio on their computers today. In the time it took DVD to overtake VHS's corner on the market, Blu-ray will go from the latest thing to commercially irrelevant. I've already copied all of my DVDs to a 750GB drive so I can stream them up-converted onto my 360 from the Mac Pro upstairs. The discs themselves are in storage now, except for a couple special edition packages that I like to look at! Physical Media is dying. My company sells BR discs, and I can tell you that they are less than 1% of our total physical DVD sales despite a lot of marketing efforts and a material that should benefit greatly from the benefits of HD (music performance).

    SACD will be around longer as a money-making format than Blu-ray will, because there is no easy replacement. Blu-ray will only live on as a relic, and as the physical substrate for PS3 games.
     
  23. NPerk7288 macrumors newbie

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    I'm still confused about something after reading all of this information - if I have Windows Vista installed on my Mac and I attach an external blu-ray player while running Vista, will I still not see playback on my screen since it is a 23'' acd?
     
  24. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

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    It would depend on the disc. Since the ACDs don't have HDCP, you may see nothing or it may downgrade it to SD content; some discs do that.
     
  25. benpatient macrumors 68000

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    ICT (image constraint token) is not currently in use.

    so it either works or it doesn't. no down-sampled intermediate. without an hdcp-compliant output device, you'll see nothing over a digital connection. The Apple Cinema Displays have no analog inputs or analog decoding capabilities (unlike their rival's displays, which usually have VGA or at least support for analog over DVI). If you've got an ACD, you can't watch blu-ray on it, even with Windows.
     

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