Boy Scouts vote to allow gay youth

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    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/23/18447459-boy-scouts-vote-to-lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

    I say (a) finally, and (b) get to lifting the ban on leaders ASAP.

    What kind of message does it send to gay youth that they're allowed to be Scouts as youth, but that when they grow up they won't be allowed to be involved with Scouts, presumably because they're not "morally straight"?
     
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    LOL... A descision guaranteed to please absolutely no one.

    I expect within the next year or so the ban will be fully lifted. The Scouts would be smart to see what's coming and get ahead of the curve, but they chose this instead.

    Edit: The ban on gay leaders was not voted on. Because if it had been, it seems likely that would have fallen too. Dumbasses. That vote is coming, you're just delaying the inevitable.
     
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    Cool! Next year we can end that prejudicial ban forbidding boys from joining the Girl Scouts. Men as Girl Scout leaders? Why not?
     
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    What a ridiculous statement. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Do you believe that a gay male is less of a man than a straight one?

    The Boy Scouts are setting a horrible example. They seem to believe that being a gay adult means you are a child molester. Ironic coming from an organization who have shown they have no issues covering up abuse from heterosexual sex offenders.

    I wouldn't let my son within a country mile of this antiquated, thoughtless organization.
     
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    The horrible example will be set if they decide to allow gay members. At the risk of starting a war I'm in no mood to deal with, being gay isn't natural. It's man and woman, as it has been since the beginning of life. Adam and Eve. Even if you don't believe Adam and Eve ever existed, a MAN was meant to be with a WOMAN. A woman needs a man to reproduce and a man needs a woman to reproduce. Even if a gay couple has no intention of wanting children, it still is not natural or normal.
     
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    Then why'd God make gay people?
     
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    Given that pedophiles are almost invariably males (i.e., almost all sex crimes against children are committed by men), and up to one-third of all sex crimes against children are committed against boys, that would indicate that having homosexuals as scout leaders alone puts scouts at risk.

    Source

    Not at all. But it's the same thing as putting men in charge of Girl Scouts. Just because you're a heterosexual male doesn't mean you're a child molester. But only a fool would take the risk.

    Lucky them, I suppose.
     
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    Attraction to women is just as natural for me as attraction to women (assuming you're a straight male) is natural to you. To me, attraction to a male is not natural.... Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it's not "natural".

    And frankly, this may be too little too late for the Boy Scouts. Membership has been declining for a decade. Luckily the youth of today are more open minded and intelligent than those adults who think it's OK to discriminate against children.
     
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    Please tell me you did not just say what I think you said. Are you suggesting homosexual=pedophile?
     
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    By this logic, they should only let women be scout leaders, right? And the abusive leaders they chose to cover up were heterosexual men. So, their little ban doesn't seem to be working.

    Study after study has shown that pedophiles who abuse those of the same sex are not homosexual. Ignorance seems to be easier than education...

    Lucky him. It's their loss.
     
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    No. But some are, just as some heterosexual males are also pedophile predators of girls. Which is why we don't let men become girl scout leaders. Not because heterosexual = pedophile, but because enough of them are that it's too risky to take the chance. Same goes for homosexuals.

    Clear?

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    No. Haven't you seen the rash of women teachers in the news lately who've been boinking their male students?

    There's no perfect solution, but having heterosexual men in charge of boy scouts is preferable. We're just protecting the children.

    No solution is perfect, but we can't allow perfection to be the enemy of good sense. You don't put heterosexual men in charge of girl scouts, and you don't put homosexual men in charge of boy scouts.

    1. You didn't cite even one of those many studies.
    2. Since I assume you mean "abuse" to be sexual abuse, let me help you with definitions: Homosexual: a person who is sexually attracted to people of his or her own sex.

    But then I make learning easier than ignorance. It's my gift you see.

    Doubtful.

    <edit> Well here's a surprise (to me at least): Girl Scouts of Los Angeles allow men to be Girl Scout leaders as long as two leaders accompany the girls on outings, one of whom must be female. So they use chaperones.

    Under those circumstances, I have no problem with homosexuals being Boy Scout leaders, as long as there's at least two leaders present, one of whom must be heterosexual.

    Problem solved!

    http://www.girlscoutsla.org/pages/about/join_faqs.html
     
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    Huh? Not clear at all. Clear as mud, actually. I had no idea we didn't let men lead Girl Scout tropps because they were so prone to pedophilia. Do you have some proof of this? (Preferably the kind that doesn't come from the Family Research Council)
     
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    You didn't know that some men are sexual predators of young girls? Where have you been?

    They source their facts, so if you have a problem with their sources, I'm happy to see your proof.
     
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    Please do not project your personal fantasy beliefs onto other people. Thanks. Now go pray or whatever it is what people like you do.

    Disgusting.

    Edit. To clarify: I find it pretty hilarious that you talk about "nature" as in "being gay is not natural" but then pull some christian ****** out of your a** as if it's the most normal base of "reasoning". Well, no, obviously it's NOT normal to follow your religion. Billions of people on this planet chose other or no gods.

    Second Edit: I apologize for the ****, but as it's only ****, I suppose we're ok with some ****. Praise the potato.
     
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    Please do not suggest that given the evidence of natural selection and evolution that being gay is normal. Thanks. Now go research why it is that a male's sperm is able to fertilize a female's egg, not just amongst HUMANS, but amongst ALL OTHER CREATURES ABLE TO REPRODUCE. It should be CRYSTAL clear that, in the aspect of religion, science, or whatever the hell else there is, that a MAN is meant to be with a WOMAN.

    Edit: I said in my first post that I was in no mood to participate in this war and here I am doing just that. No matter what anyone on either side says, an argument will surface and I really am in no mood to deal with the **** that will come from it. As of this post, I am done with this thread.
     
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    You do realise that there is more to life than copulation and reproduction? ;)

    According to Yale's Scientific Magazine:
     
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    I'm not suggesting it. I just know that there are a lot of gay people out there, so I consider it normal.
    I don't really know that many "religious" people.

    Just being curious: Does someone like you even believe in "natural selection"?

    You're welcome.

    WELL THAT IS CRAZY. HUMANS **** TO REPRODUCE. Wow. what about those who chose doing it just for fun? are they evil?

    The "aspect of religion" can be deleted. It's irrelevant to me. Might be important to you, but I don't give a **** about your "god", "allah", "Tom Cruise". Thanks.

    The "aspect of science"... well, I'm here. And so are millions of others. Seems pretty "natural" to me.
     
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    This is one of the most insulting threads to ever hit MR with posts discriminating against gay people.

    Why am I still surprised that there are people like Duck and ideal who still hold such antiquated beliefs and defend them with the craziest logic? I don't even know how to respond!
     
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    You surprise me, it's quite well known since the late 70's that homosexuality has zero to do with pedophilia.

    Here are a few quotes from the Psychology Department at UCDavis to help potentially expand your view a little in this regard... :rolleyes:

     
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    I feel sorry for you that all you think about is sex sex sex when it comes to homosexuals. Speaks volumes.

    As if all gay men are so horny and unprofessional that we can't keep our hands to ourselves.

    Honest question: are you projecting?
     
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    Is being gay "natural". First one has to define "natural". I'd say something is "natural" if it exists in nature. Surely this does.

    Next define "normal". That is harder. Are identical twins "normal". They are not as common as single births. People are bird guy far more common than as twins so that must be "more normal".

    But you know what? Most people rally just don't care. It seems pointless to argue. Some guy is gay, who cares.
     
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    Your post shows some serious naivety. They already have men as Girl Scouts leaders. And if you think it is a problem that men actually take interests in how their daughters build their sense of worth and self esteem, then that's a major problem with one's own lack of self esteem and inner demons that they need to deal with.

    I would without any hesitation become a Girl Scout leader if my daughter was involved in it. I would do anything to help my daughter benefit from being a better girl, the best she could be, and have that turn into her being the best woman she could ever be.

    BL.
     
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    It definitely demonstrates his clumsiness in debate.

    A quick search might have saved DoD some embarrassment. But I guess that would be putting too much work into one's post ... better to shoot from the hip and miss wildly than take the time to get the facts right.

    What was once Campfire Girls is Campfire, having turned coed in 1975.

    And while Girl Scouts doesn't allow minor boys to join, they accept males over the age of 18 ...

     
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    I'm sorry you live in such a square, little box. Either you've been indoctrinated or don't have the necessary education to see the whole picture (most highly religious people don't), but there is more to earth, life and humanity, and sex and reproduction are only a small part of it.

    The concept of Adam and Eve is nothing more than the projection of how men in those days regarded women and how their relationship was to be understood. If that's what *you* believe as well, then you're just one other indoctrinated bigot who won't accept that he's not the center of the universe.

    Let gay men and women be, don't judge them because you don't understand how they feel. Don't know us down on every corner because all we're trying to do is live our life and fit in, like the rest of humanity.
     
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    It is that kind of thinking that has driven males out of the teaching profession, leaving no role models for male students.

    I notice that you are now all about taking preventative action even against persons not guilty of any crime. If you can do it once why not do the same with FIREARMS?
     

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