Bullseye! Sniper kills FBI agent!

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  1. peter2002 macrumors 6502

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    October 19, 2002.

    Sniper strikes again?
    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/20/national/nationalspecial/20SHOO.html
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    Police said ballistic evidence had conclusively linked Monday night's fatal shooting to the sniper attacks. The victim, identified as Linda Franklin, 47, from Arlington, Virginia, was slain by a single gunshot in the parking area of a Home Depot store.

    Law enforcement sources said Franklin worked for the FBI as an intelligence operations specialist.


    http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/South/10/15/sniper.shootings/index.html
     
  2. Stike macrumors 65816

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    This serial killer is an interesting one. No doubt Hollywood will go on this one after a time :(

    Supposedly he left a Tarot card... maybe he will stop with his spree after 22 kills, because this is the total amount of "trump" cards in Tarot.
    The 22 cards depict a cycle. Then it starts from the beginning... hmmm?
     
  3. job macrumors 68040

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    Hollywood already has...

    Check out the trailers at Apple.com for "Phone Booth."

    Apparently the sniper did not want the tarot card to be made public....

    It makes you wonder what would have happened had it not gone public thanks to the wonderful media... :rolleyes:
     
  4. jelloshotsrule macrumors G3

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    just curious... how do they know the guy didn't want the tarot card to go public?


    it's scary, yeah.. i mean, that's in the area (general area) of a lot of members here... duke and blakespot... etc. i used to play baseball in the falls church little league and whatnot.. that said, there is such a small chance that this guy gets x person. i mean, 8-10 people is a small amount in a large population.

    don't get me wrong. taking nothing away from each and every life gone. just thinking about how people can't (i know it's tough) let this stop them from living their lives....

    my 2 cents.. word.
     
  5. job macrumors 68040

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    I saw it on the news. :rolleyes: ;)

    the media sucks.

    I'm not even sure whether or not to believe them.
     
  6. Spike Spiegel macrumors regular

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    along with the card that said "dear policemen, I am God" there was a note (maybe on the card also)that warned police not to release the tarot card's information. thats why the chief of police in that area made that angry speech to the press, and also to let the sniper know that it wasnt the police's fault. He was like"dude, it was those guys with the cameras over there, not us, so dont shoot us."
     
  7. Hemingray macrumors 68030

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    It makes me angry. Who the hell does this guy think he is that he can go around sniping people off like human targets. He's a coward.
     
  8. job macrumors 68040

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    Could be a she.. ;)

    Or two people...

    Nevertheless, they are indeed cowards.
     
  9. Wes macrumors 68020

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    After the first few kills, and repeated single-shot headshots, I said this guy is good (in an evil way). I said he must be swat or army. Today on the news, they said think he is a professionally trained soldier.
     
  10. mischief macrumors 68030

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    Mischief's Gut-level profile:

    The FBI spends a ton of money training profilers to do this but it's often easy to guess based on norms for such things and modify for the case at hand.

    White male 35-45. Likely to have christian fundamentalist leanings. He has a swingshift "day job". 70% chance to have served in the Marines. 99% chance to have been rejected by the FBI due to "Mental Instability".

    Likely be single and have very few friends. May care for an invalid, overbearing mother. Likely to have been raised by a single parent; either a weak male or overbearing female. May have been raised by grandparents or be a product of multiple foster families.

    Likely to have a Methamphetamine and/or drinking habit. Distinct sense of powerlessness has led to a psychotic break and de-evolution into sociopathy. May have a recent Traumatic Event involving a close family member or life-partner. Likely to have had multiple abusive relationships and may have been charged with Rape or Sexual Assault. Likely to have lost a loved one to 9/11.

    Aggression is directed at the National Law enforcement agencies et al. Victims are incidental and arbitrary but chosen carefully to reduce pattern and profile accuracy. Subject is attempting to either impress or humiliate the FBI and BATF, perhaps both. Subject is employed by a warehouse somewhere in the DC area.
     
  11. jefhatfield Retired

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    i just heard cnn where chief moose claimed that the fbi employee was not involved in the sniper case (she was involved in counter terrorism as related to computers)

    also, washington dc and some surrounding areas is the murder capital of the usa, so every shooting has to be confirmed first as the bullet type used is fairly common

    the shooting that occured when a woman shot her boyfriend looked like a lead...the boyfriend had the same type of vehicle, the same type of gun, police scanners, area maps, and a marine corps sniper manual (additional reports about a tarot card being found in his possession were erroneous)

    as it turns out, this man who had all these things, and was shot, was found to be innocent
     
  12. krossfyter macrumors 601

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    nah..

    apprently all the shots this guys is taking are from an easy range. people are giving him too much credit for markmanship. a lot of people who can be trained to shoot any gun could shoot like this. thats what im hearing at least. dont know from expierence though. although his ability to dodge detection and capture and possibly tease the media and or law enforcement is very good.
     
  13. jefhatfield Retired

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    since the sniper has made bold moves like shooting someone near a cop indicates that this person is crazy like the son of sam

    i don't think the sniper cares if they get caught

    they just want the attention from the press and be vilified and remembered and put on the same list as son of sam, the nightstalker, and charles manson

    whatever they have done, they have already gone down in criminal history and definitely will be the subject of books and most likely a tv movie...where the sniper could watch it from jail and be proud of themselves

    i am sure son of sam and charles manson love the attention the public still gives them:mad:
     
  14. jelloshotsrule macrumors G3

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    it can't be too easy a range or someone would have seen him by now.... well, more of him.
     
  15. jefhatfield Retired

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    son of sam had a mysterious side about him since no one really knew what he looked like

    it was by pure chance that he was caught, where he instantly and coldly confessed like a person with the mind of an eight year old

    the lead investigator, full of hate for david berkowitz (son of sam), said he felt sorry for him the minute he met him/interviewed him since he said, "the man is just this vegetable/idiot"

    i think we are dealing with a schizophrenic person who does not know they are doing wrong...they could be led by voices and some uncontrollable urge to kill...perhaps as a sexual thrill as in son of sam's case where he would masturbate at the crime scene after he shot his victims...to berkowitz, he was just trying to express himself
     
  16. SilvorX macrumors 68000

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    i sure hope they catch the killer SOON :(, if the death penalty is in that state, he will certainly be getting that..
     
  17. beatle888 macrumors 68000

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    It was stated on the news that the shots were
    most likely made from 55yards. That isn't very
    far at all. I would think with a scope and a
    decent rifle that an average person could make
    the shot. A marksman actually stated this on
    TV as well. He said within training someone
    for an hour he could have them make these
    shots (55yards). I think the FBI and other
    authorities need to do more. Why can't we get
    help from the national guard and do some type
    of state wide net? And when this guy strikes
    put 50 helicopters in the sky and nail the guy.
     
  18. Thirteenva macrumors 6502a

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    absolutely right.

    All of his shots were between 100 and 150 yards. Not really as difficult as people think. My father was in the millitary and said a real sniper would have to make shots at 500yds to be considered a true sniper.
     
  19. Thirteenva macrumors 6502a

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    Many people have called in reporting seeing the gunman speed away from the scene, thats why they are looking for these white vehicles and believe he has a driver/accomplise
     
  20. jefhatfield Retired

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    he/she has killed in dc, maryland, and virginia so they will get nailed to the fullest extent of the law

    but if the person is like a manson or son of sam, and thus mentality incapable of rational thought, then they cannot put him to death...at least, not easily

    whether he gets killed in the action, executed, or put away for life, i hope this killer(s) is taken off the street as soon as possible

    someone killing so boldly, leaving shell casings behind, and leaving notes on tarot cards is someone destined to get caught...if not wanting to get caught and get the publicity they seem to feel they have the right to have by the world
     
  21. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

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    I don't doubt they'll be caught eventually, but as someone who's living in the target area, I can say its having an impact. The media is being over zealous and needs to calm down. I'm going to get gas and picking stations that give me the most cover. My wife gets all worried when I go to the store or walk the dog.

    I just hope he gets caught before he gets a chance to kill anyone else.

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  22. jefhatfield Retired

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    did you know that twice as many people were killed in car accidents in the same time period in the same areas in and around dc?

    and we have talked about this before, but the dc area and some surrounding areas (alexandria, va) is the most likely place to be shot in the united states...for many years now and that will not change anytime soon...most years, dc is even more dangerous than manhattan!

    an african american male living in washington dc has a lower life expectancy than an african male living and fighting in somalia during the time of the warlords as depicted in the movie "black hawk down"

    some scale has to be brought upon the situation and i agree with the officials in and around dc to ask everyone to go about their daily routine...he/she cannot stop all life and commerce in the area and i don't envision everybody in the area to start wearing bullet proof vests and installing bullet proof windows in their vehicles

    the killer(s) will be stopped and i don't think the president will order door to door searches of the entire area

    when we had a rash of highway shootings on the california highways due to road rage, there were people who actually bulletproofed thier vehicles

    and the los angeles drive by shootings made many in urban areas scared to go out

    while in reality, most shootings in california were domestic violence problems and many californians died from accidents, smoking, and drunk driving...though the press didn't mention much about those issues since the drive bys and road rage highway shooting made the press everyday and gave people a false big picture of california and los angeles in particular

    statistically, the danger in dc is more from being in a car accident or being a victim of an unrelated shooting more than being a victim of this particular, highly publicized "sniper"
     
  23. Gelfin macrumors 68020

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    Yeah, 50-150 yards does not qualify one as a well-trained sniper. If he was all that good, it'd be more like 500-1000 yards, and there would be no "seeing a white van speeding away from the scene" because he wouldn't be AT the scene. Not being "at the scene" is kind of the point of being a sniper.

    But personally, I'm getting annoyed with the amateur sleuthing surrounding this case. From the beginning it's played out like a stupid cop drama, and the media and the public have run with that.

    To paraphrase a friend of mine, the whole "tarot card" thing proved that the sniper was deadly, deranged, and incredibly lame. I mean, it's as if some laid-off TV script writer decided to start killing people.

    And because the armchair detectives of the world have been exposed to the same trite crap, they're dutifully responding by trying to "establish a pattern," based on tarot card lore or numerology. What's next? Plotting the killings on a map and playing "find the pentagram" so you can determine the location of the next killing ahead of time and catch the deranged maniac like the clever hero protagonist?

    Maybe in the face of something as horrific and senseless as this, people need to feel in control by ascribing some highly simplistic and predictable logic to it. Certainly that's what MSNBC is doing when they try to link the killings to video games. Mind you, these are the same asshats who attempted to link the 9/11 attacks to MS Flight Simulator (thanks to Penny Arcade for finding and pointing out this idiocy). But in trying to find some explanation that's satisfying from a narrative standpoint, the media and the public are putting themselves into a creepy codependent relationship with the killer. They want him caught, but at the same time, they depend on him to fill out their stories and prove or disprove their little pet theories.

    Let me just spoil the ending for you. The police catch him. His defense team attempts an insanity defense (I mean, how could they not?). The jury doesn't buy it. The end. In the meantime, I wish we could just stop mythologizing the jackass.
     
  24. peter2002 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Dirty Harry

    Is it just me, or is this whole episode just like the first Dirty Harry movie, except the locale is in the D.C. area?

    Peter
     
  25. Spike Spiegel macrumors regular

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    theres also the chance that this person is changing vehicles, there have been numerous sightings(white astrovan, white truck, cream colored van) a truck and a van are fairly easy to dinstinguish between, though the descriptions could be muddled due to the rattled nerves of the witnesses. I have a feeling this investigation will not go into a large scale, very expensive, multi-helicopter sting operation. at the most, well probably see a dragnet type of tactic if the killings persist.
     

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