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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by IJ Reilly, Oct 29, 2004.
The right-wing media are misleading the public with outright lies...international inspectors won't be allowed to monitor the voting...and now no one but the government can challenge the results. Bush really is wrapping it all up, isn't he?
I hate to say this, but the resemblance between this country and the earliest days of the Third Reich are becoming more and more striking.
a slight correction in the bush message.
fascism, not freedom, is on the march!
Welcome to Bushworld 2004.
Democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for dinner.
They are only getting away with it because people are letting them. I'm sure Hitler said he was only giving the people what they wanted. They didn't even realize they wanted it until it was forced upon them. Of course, by then it was too late. For once, I am thankful that we are in the land of many lawyers.
as long as no books are burnt and it's still missing those marching at night with torches it looks good for the US... and leading a "police action" against poland because of their support for terrorists and threatening your own country is still missing too !
I think the congruence is remarkable. Nothing missing as far as I can see. Except military success, of course...
We're not burning books, but the mainstream media are pretty cowed under the control of big corporations, and a large percentage of the people believe the false information they hear on Sinclair, Salem, and similar networks and through radical right wing publications. Control dissent and independent thought. Different means, same end.
And heck, we've already invaded a foreign country under a false pretext, and we've got our eyes on others.
What Bush is really doing is laying down the foundation for a Fourth Reich. And no, I don't think that's too far-fetched a thing to say. Dictatorships begin by (among other things) manipulating elections, controlling the media, stifling dissent, keeping the people in a constant state of fear, spying on your own citizens, and taking a "if you're not with us, you're against us" stance. Bush has fulfilled all these conditions.
I just hope in two days it won't matter. (Though even if Kerry wins, the radical neo-cons will still be plotting to undermine him.)
Unfortunately, of course, if Kerry wins, I suspect he's going to have to be be even more militaristic than Bush just to show his mettle.
i would have to disagree ..the US led invasion was pretty successfull ... the problems seemed to rise after 'victory' (which didn't me surprise at all)
Whether it was "successful" or not depends on whether you believe Junior's Mission Accomplished claim marked the end of the war. I'd say that is a moot point.
actually i was dead serious about the first two ...i added the 3rd one as a hint
just like heinrich heine said:"where books are burning, people will be burning too in the end"
or another nice quote from erich kästner 1928:
"do you know the country where guns are flowering? You don't know it ? You will get to know it .." speaking about germany
it's a long road to dictatorship/etc. but you can be sure it's a wide autobahn... and the US barley started the engine ...
I dunno what every has their panty's in a wad for. I think it's completely legit position taken by the current Administration. Obviously the only people that should be allowed to vote are those that are likely to vote for Bush.
Right you are. The shame of it is that those of us here, on both sides, are the minority. We really care about the government. Too many others end up just sitting on the sidelines.
Justice Department Joins Election Legal Fight in Ohio
And the beat goes on...
So in 2000 the argument was 'well you needed to file those lawsuits BEFORE the election for them to count NOW' and now it's 'no you can't file any lawsuits before the election' either?
Hey, whatever works. I believe Americans as a whole fail to appreciate how thoroughly their government has been hijacked by right wing radicals. They have goals, not principles.
States' rights, anyone?