Bush Threatens Veto on anti-Torture Bill

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  1. Thanatoast macrumors 6502a

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    link

    Or, "How to Prove You're the Jackass Everyone Says You Are, in D minor"

    The latest military spending bill [at $440,000,000,000!!!!(not including the Iraq war)] has an included rider, placed there by the Senate, that would set standards for the interrogation of prisoners and disallow torture of anyone in US government custody.

    The President's advisors say they will recomend he veto the bill. Not *once* has the man vetoed *any* bill in his five years as President - but now he's threatening to use it, for the first time, on legislation that would prevent the abuse of suspects in US custody.

    I feel sick.
     
  2. zimv20 macrumors 601

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    glad to see the senate finally growing a pair on this issue.
     
  3. broken_keyboard macrumors 65816

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    The idiots who crafted this bill are going to feel really great when the next Sept. 11 happens and it turns out one of our prisoners knew about it but we couldn't torture him.

    "Hello, my name is Mr. Senator. Haha! Yes, I like to get every advantage to the enemy. Next question?"
     
  4. jelloshotsrule macrumors G3

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    ^^^^
    here we go again.... nuke those terrrrrrists!
     
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    so you are ok with us soldiers/citizens being tortured?
     
  6. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    Nah, just yank out their fingernails one by one.
     
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    oh right, but nuke brown people because they live anywhere near terrrrrrists. in theory
     
  8. Dont Hurt Me macrumors 603

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    This goof ball we call president doesnt have a clue of what a Veto pen is, let alone where it is........... So he is for torture! We knew this allready.

    Worst President ever elected twice in my view. He will go down in history as the Bum who got us in Iraq. We expect everyone to live up to high standards we dont even live up to anymore. Bush is so pathetic it discust me just to think of the Bum.
     
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    Torture is ineffective as an interrogation device. The CIA doesn't use it.

    It is a good way to let off steam if you're a sociopath.
     
  10. MBHockey macrumors 68040

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    ...and Bush has reached a new low

    Didn't think it was possible!
     
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    I hate this political crap! Why with the rider bills all the time!!

    Maybe there's another issue that Bush is vetoing over, some other rider. I would suggest that he's vetoing the ridiculous $440 bil war spending, but I know that's not possible in light of how this administration has been run.

    However, if it's the anti-torture that will veto $440 billion of money sent down the *******, I'm al for keeping it in.

    What was the old phrase in the WW2 era? "A million dollars for war, but not one cent for tribute!" The Bush administration's got something like that, "A trillion dollars for war, but not one cent for education, health care, or other domestic issues!"
     
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    hmm oh well didn't the US ratify the UN ban on torture just a few years ago ?
    so doesn't make that this discussion rather pointless to begin with ?

    that aside it's even stated under human rights .. so this veto would be just like vetoing on human rights

    and again the hollywood movie "the siege" comes back to mind...

    edit: and isn't torture already banned in the US anyways ?.. here it's been officially since 1780 with the few dark years from 1938-45 afaik
     
  13. 3rdpath macrumors 68000

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    this bill doesn't go nearly far enough.

    then again, bush thinks "extraordinary rendition" has something to do with how well toby keith sings God Bless America...
     
  14. Thanatoast thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    broken keyboard:

    Will you still be flippant when the next 9-11 happens and the video hits the airwaves saying it was in response to our invasion and occupation of Iraq and our abuse of human rights?

    And this despite our new and improved "security" and tens of billions in new spending.
     
  15. MBHockey macrumors 68040

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    Yup.
     
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    I don't believe it would be ineffective. Most people would talk if you started pulling their fingernails out.
     
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    The U.N. - what's that?
     
  18. ChrisBrightwell macrumors 68020

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    These people are willing to die for their cause. Pulling out fingernails is nothing to them.

    Torture is an abomination of civilized society.
     
  19. zimv20 macrumors 601

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    yeah, they'll tell you whatever you want to hear.
     
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    :p
     
  21. pseudobrit macrumors 68040

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    You can believe that flying monkeys can shoot out of your ass, too.

    The CIA instructs agents that torture is counterproductive to interrogation because it instills emotions of hopelessness and despair in the captive.

    If they know something, it steels them. If they know nothing, they'll just start making **** up, sending your intelligence community down dead ends.
     
  22. pseudobrit macrumors 68040

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    The international organisation that was established to prevent another World War by fostering worldwide communication, cooperation and mediation.

    Libertarians and other assorted selfish bastards are hellbent on dismantling it so they can kill and exploit whomever they please.
     
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    Oh, for a minute there I thought it was a mechanism by which terrorist states could exercise power over the U.S.
     
  24. pseudobrit macrumors 68040

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    No, that's called oil.
     
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    LOL. I think maybe it's both. :)
     

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