But, but, Benghazi

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    rdowns

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    Surprised there hasn't been a thread started yet.

    In our last episode, please don't primary me with a Tea Party candidate Senator Lindsey Graham announced his intention to block every Obama administration appointee until survivors of the Benghazi attack testify before Congress.

    Graham's latest stunt to show his anti-Obama bona fides came out of a 60 Minutes report on Benghazi.

    And then we have this.

    Publisher Withdraws CBS Source's Benghazi Book

     
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    Even if it was an intelligence failure, the republicans oversaw 9/11. I get the feeling that it weighs slightly more in the intelligence failure ranks and there were no repercussions for that.
     
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    I get the idea the the Republican Party in the US are trying to create a cause célèbre with Benghazi, to topple the Obama presidency or damage his successor.

    The major problem that they have, is like film makers who try to make a cult film, it’s not the makers who decide if it is a cult film, its the general public. The same logic applies to the news, it only becomes a cause célèbre when the general public takes a great interest.

    Manufactured items like this are little more than an internet Meme.
     
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    which is a shame really because there does appear to have been a breakdown in the system that day and in the time leading up to it. but they've run it so much into the ground that it's very clearly exactly as you described. Does anyone really believe that had it happened under Bush that the GOP would be railing over it like they are now?

    or that the democrats would be taking a "get over it" attitude?

    This is the huge bummer with our hyper-polarized political climate... i mean, i remember thinking that it probably wasn't appropriate that Obama had a relationship with William Ayers but that bing-bong Sarah Palin made it such an absurdly overblown absurdity that by the 20th time she screamed about it, I just stopped caring.

    This characteristic of modern American Politics is undeniable in my opinion and absolutely evident on both sides. Why isn't there more uproar over the NSA stuff? What happened to all the "no blood for oil" anti-war movement?

    Why are the GOP only "fiscally conservative" when the other side is in power?
    Why do they only care about the rampant violations of our civil liberties now?

    totally dispiriting...
     
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    I was waiting for the apologies from Darrell Issa and Lindsey Graham. :rolleyes:


    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/business/media/cbs-correspondent-apologizes-for-report-on-benghazi-attack.html?pagewanted=2&ref=general&src=me
     
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    I feel this whole thing would blow up if the survivors and military people come forward about the event. The Government (Obama people) put a gag order on all those witnesses. :(
     
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    Source please.

    How would the government put a gag order on the surviving family members of those killed?
     
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    Was Issa one of the dorks that went all apoplectic over the images they were showing at the congressional briefing because omg, that was classified?
     
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    Yup, politicians are not incentivized to make government effective, they are incentivized to win. And winning an election is not the same thing as effective governing. We throw person after person at the same system and expect them not to fall into the game. It's the game we need to change.
     
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    well said!
     
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    You do realize that your source says nothing about a "gag order" involving anybody—including surviving family members, don't you?

     
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    The title of this thread really speaks to something other than a consulate attack. I look at satcomer's source and find it a bit questionable in that Devin Nunes looks like a twit to me.

    But, that is the underlying problem: we just cannot discuss anything without polarization and hostility. This is the thing we need to address. I mean, in the previous decade, there were numerous attacks on diplomatic compounds, but none of them made the news for more than a day or two, yet somehow this one is different? Why? We cannot get a straight answer as to why we should care more about this one than the others. Only that Obama is teh Muzzie evil and we must end his socialist tyranny – at least, that is what Nunes sounds like, and so the middle and left have a hard time taking him seriously.
     
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    Seems to me, that the death of a U.S. ambassador in this attack separates this particular attack from the others. Ambassador Stephens was the first U.S. ambassador killed since 1979. I would say that this particular attack deserves more scrutiny than others.

    But don't let that stop you from disparaging all those who dare question Obama and his minions. :rolleyes:
     
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    No. No. You go on with another hearing and yet more investigations.

    Just let us know when you finally realize that occasionally **** happens in the world and it can't always be prevented or controlled.

    We'll be waiting.



    Right over here.



    Eager to get some business done.



    Whenever you're ready.
     
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    In other words, you would prefer to contribute to the problem :rolleyes:
     
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    I'm gonna go ahead and assume that your level of outrage with regard to the Benghazi attack is directly proportional to your level of outrage over George W Bush receiving a warning stating "Bin Laden determined to strike US" and simply stating "now you've covered your ass" and going back to one of his many vacations. I mean, you must have been LIVID at him for that, right?
     
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    Yes, after 18 congressional hearings, over 100 interviews, and 25,000 administration documents revealed, we must dare to not question why this is still going on.

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    The Blaze quoting Twitchy. I haven't laughed so hard in days.
     
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    First and foremost, this must be viewed as the Conservatives fight for political survival in a country that is turning blue. Besides that, I have to ask myself why do they hate Obama? The word "hate" is not an exaggeration. When I listen to him talk he seems like an intelligent, reasonable person, less liberal than I imagined he would be.

    While I would not use the word "hate" to describe the W Administration, instead I'd use "detest", but I have some solid reasons behind those feelings, primarily the orchestration of our war of aggression against a dictator* for dubious reasons, the resulting death, pain and suffering and financial cost which combined with other issues is threatening to bankrupt us with minimal if any gain.

    Ok, so what heinous acts has Obama executed? Overseeing federal guidance for a national health plan? In Conservative eyes, any social program is heinous. This gives me a reason to describe Conservatives as heinous.

    I wonder what the Tea Party would be doing today if Romney had won?

    *Dictator? no problem, we have historically had happy relationships with dictators who play ball. ;)
     
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    I'm not going to go look this one up, for the reason that the last time I looked at something on The Blaze, the accompanying stream of vile racist epithets in Blaze reader comments regarding President Obama was too distracting. I assume that the vast majority of The Blaze readers are blatant racists, because few others could stand to read it on a regular basis. The Blaze isn't a credible source for anything; I wouldn't even trust the weather report.

    Back On Topic: Reporters are not automatically entitled to read classified documents or documents that have personal family information in them. That doesn't mean there is a "gag order". The reporter can't be stopped from asking family members of a gruesome tragedy for ugly detailed information of course. The family members are not required to answer. And, in any case, such information contributes nothing to the public's understanding of how difficult or easy it is to protect diplomats.
     

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