C2D MBP english-int'l vs. us keyboard

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by roninrest, Nov 6, 2006.

  1. roninrest macrumors newbie

    Nov 6, 2006
    In Germany, next to the standard german keyboard, there is the option to configure the C2D MBP with an english-int'l keyboard.
    Since, I find the us keyboard layout more suitable for programming I would like to take advantage of the english-int'l keyboard option.
    That's why I'm wondering:

    1.) What is the difference between the us- and the english-int'l keyboard?

    2.) When using an english-int'l keyboard, is it possible to configure shortcuts (e.g. Alt-Gr + [a,u,o,s]) for the german "Umlaute" (e.g. ä, ü, ö, ß)?

    3.) Could anyone post a picture of an C2D MBP with an english-int'l keyboard, please?

  2. SiCbe macrumors member

    Sep 11, 2006
    Belgium, Maaseik
    yeah I ordered an english intl keyboard too... I hate the standard AZERTY here in belgium. The QWERTY is better for programming.

    Can't give you any pics yet cause its delivery date is the 27th so ;)
  3. KinoEye macrumors newbie

    Nov 2, 2006
    International keyboard has signs, US is written

    As far as I know the International English Qwerty keyboard you get when you order an International-English keyboard in Europe has signs (like for shift, caps lock, alt, apple) whereas the US keyboard is mostly written (so it actually says 'shift,' etc).

    There are probably other differences too, but this is something that I noticed.
  4. aaronfzr macrumors regular

    Oct 4, 2006
    I think the layout of US & UK keyboards is quite similar, but some of the keys are swapped around or replaced...things like no £ sign. The difference between Australia and UK is only that the @ and the " are swapped: they are both there, just in each others' place.
  5. eyvind macrumors member


    Sep 4, 2006
    International English is a standard European keyboard with the tall/narrow return key and extra key between left shift and "z" (or "y", on the crazy German keyboard), but with a US keymap.

    For some reason, "`~" key (below the escape key on a real US keyboard) is mapped to the extra key next to the left shift key. The key below the escape key has some weird characters I never use (paragraph and logical not, perhaps? I don't have the keyboard in front of me, and I can't remember). The "\|" key, which is above the return key on a US keyboard, is to the left of it on the international English keyboard.

    You can probably use third-party software to change this, but by default, option-u is the umlaut shortcut (ä is option-u a, ü is option-u u etc.), and option-s is ß.

    Sorry, I don't have a picture handy.

    In summary, if you just want a keyboard that makes it easier to type braces and square brackets, int'l English is fine. It doesn't have the wide return key, unfortunately, so if that's important to you you'll have to try to get a proper US keyboard.
  6. roninrest thread starter macrumors newbie

    Nov 6, 2006
    Thanks a lot for the detailed information!
    So, I guess the "english-int'l" keyboard I could expect would look like this one:


    I just have one additional question.
    As there does not seem to be a € (Euro) key, does there exist a short cut for the € (Euro) sign?

  7. casperghst42 macrumors member

    Jan 11, 2006
    Fortunatly not - there is a diffrence between the enterkey, and the placement for / and a few other things.

    I got my MBP in The Netherlands which had this sick Int' English layout - I ended up getting a replacement keyboard from ifixit.com.....

    And uppon calling the Appel online store to inquire about US Layout keyboards I was told that they are only awailable in the US...... I'm not happy....

  8. casperghst42 macrumors member

    Jan 11, 2006
    Even if you can't see the € sign, it still works just fine.

  9. eyvind macrumors member


    Sep 4, 2006
    That's the one.

    Yes, option-shift-2 is €.

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