Can Zune catch iPod?

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    What a thrilling read. This article answers no questions, it's basically just a parrotting of Microsoft saying, "Yeah, we'll catch iPod. . . eventually. I don't know what they think they have in store to compete with the iPod, but Microsoft still doesn't get cool, and unrfortunately for them, Apple does. End of story, move along please.
     
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    Not likely in the near term, but Apple should be pretty aggressive against the Zune just in case. Making the Mac more attractive to all users could definitely help.
     
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    Good question.

    Apple so far has been fairly innovative with the iPod and changes over the years. The new Nano and Shuffle are prime examples.

    Based upon Microsoft's initial offering, I would say no. However, we must remember that Microsoft has very deep pockets and may eventually succeed.
     
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    They will succeed in the long term.

    microsoft have far more resources ( i.e,. $$$ ) than Apple - and are persistent.

    Saying that, if Zune doesn't do anything in 5 or 6 years, then microsoft may well give up.

    Personally, I think eventually microsoft will better the iPod in the long term - mainly due to more resources.
     
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    Hahaha, vista goes... woohoo!
     
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    Actually, people think Microsoft succeeds at everything in the end, from sheer $ resources, but it's not true: Microsoft has had lots of failed product lines, and only a few (but BIG) successful ones. So the odds don't point in Microsoft's favor after all.

    The Microcenter I go to has one of the Zunes set up in the iPod section... to make the iPods look better. I overheard salespeople pointing out how thick and bulky the Zune is. They're using the Zune to move iPods? And the customer in question was holding both and puzzled why anyone would want a Zune, so I think it was working.
     
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    The only thing the Zune has over the iPod is built-in Wi-Fi but that's still not enough to warrant buying one over an iPod in my opinion.
     
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    Miscrosoft certainly has deeper pockets, and yes, they're persistent -- but I still think they were too late in the game. If the Zune came out two years earlier, there would have been a much better chance of them competing with iPod.

    But people are used to the iPod, like the way it looks and feels, and appreciate its ease of use. Plus, way too many people have bought tons of songs from the iTMS. For them to give ALL of that up for a more harder to use player, that's bulkier/heavier/uglier, that doesn't play their downloaded music, that might not even install on their computer (if they're Mac), that has a music store that could one day become abandoned (like M$ abandonded "Plays For Sure"), and a ton of other reasons -- simply for the limited ability to "squirt" some songs to someone else (if they can even find someone else with a Zune), just doesn't make a lot of sense. And yes, there may be anti iPod people who buy a Zune simply because it's not Apple, but there's not enough of those people to pose any real threat.

    M$ MIGHT have had a chance with people who still didn't own an mp3 player, but with all the negative press it's gotten, that's not as likely any more.

    If M$ comes out with versions to compete with the Nano and Shuffle, they might have a slightly better chance later on. But would those have the silly gimmicks that make the Zune different than the iPod -- "squirting" and a larger screen? Probably not, and we know Apple will probably always put out the better-designed, smaller, killer flash players.
     
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    Agreed.

    Plus the current implementation of the WiFi is very limited in what you can do with it.
     
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    You mean just like "Plays For Sure" did? Or Maybe Smart Watches? Or WebTV/MSN TV?
     
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    No way... if it wasn't for MR and a few other techie sites, i wouldn't even know that MS put out an ipod type of device... who marketed this thing:confused: :eek:
     
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    Just because you have more resources, doesn't necessarily mean you know how to use them effectively.

    As Joel Spolsky wrote:

     
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    Everyone rightly mentions Microsoft's 'Deep pockets', but let's not forget that Apple aren't exactly on the breadline. Apple must continue to innovate and avoid complacency.
     
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    True, but if Microsoft manages to capture only 5% of the market and continues to lose money on the effort, they will be seen as having won and Apple as having lost. That's just the way the technology market seems to be aligned: Microsoft can win by losing money and Apple can lose by making money.
     
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    by that rationale

    • internet explorer should be the best browser on the market
    • windows vista should be the best OS on the market
    • iis should be the best server
    • msn search should be better than google
    • the xbox 360 should be the best gaming rig on the market
    • etc...

    size/resources != higher quality/better product. in some cases (office/windows) it may equal market domination.
     
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    CNN and AP are just regurgitating exactly what M$'s PR department spoon feeds them. Hope it tasted good, you tools!

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    Well, things are either hot or not, and Zune is not. How many people are saying "I really want Zune for Christmas"?

    Now Microsoft will push it for a long time, may survive on the market and get some market share but by that time, standalone MP3/video players will be dying breed replaced by mobile phones.
     
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    At some point in the future the Zune could gain traction, but right now all its doing is "skid" marks!
     
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    Aw, but come on, you can talk to Zunes with it, what more do you want??? :rolleyes:

    :p ;) :D
     
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    All of that is dead on true. People tend to forget, MS is NOT an innovative company. They have an enormous amount of internal problems. They have image problems.

    They have been able to beat back challenges from most of their competitors, but I think Apple is poised to take more market share then MS would like.

    I guess the question for me is; how much aspiration should Apple have? As a modest stockholder, I would like to see them with 25% of the total hardware market and 50% of the desktop. But, I would not like to see it come at the expense of becoming another Dell/MS. I would not expect that to happen, but one never knows.
     
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    The other issue is that it's inherently impossible to manufacture "cool", and in fact when you try--as MS did--you automatically doom your product to uncoolness, and that uncoolness overrides any possible coolness the product might have had if it was just sold on its own terms.

    --Eric
     
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    Not really related to the original article, but Welcome to the Social tag line is so lame. I am not native English speaker but it sounds like an unfinished sentence to me.
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    Yep, this was there biggest mistake. The Zune ads just try way too hard.
     

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