Canada is Next!

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by numediaman, Apr 28, 2004.

  1. numediaman macrumors 6502a

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    That fine example of American journalism, Bill O'Reilly, is leading the charge against America's next enemy: Canada.

    No doubt Bush is meeting with George Tenet as I write this asking him about Canadian WMDs. "It's a slam dunk, Mr. President."

    Prime Minister Paul Martin headed to Washington Wednesday to begin a round of talks with congressional leaders and U.S. President George W. Bush—amid some signs of growing antagonism from the United States.

    At least one right-wing American news anchor, Fox News' Bill O'Reilly, has been critical of Canada's embrace of two U.S. war deserters who are seeking asylum in Canada and its stand on the war, and Canada has shown up in the New York Times as well on the issue of the CRTC's refusal to allow Fox News to broadcast its 24-hour news channel in Canada. On his show recently, Mr. O'Reilly went as far as suggesting that if Canada allows the two men asylum, his show, Talking Points will call for a boycott of Canada.

    http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040428.wmartin0428_2/BNStory/Front/
     
  2. Lyle macrumors 68000

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    Arghhh! O'Reilly is not a "news anchor" any more than Oprah Winfrey is. He is the host of a political commentary show. And an idiot.

    Sorry, just had to vent.
     
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    An easy target. They even have French.

    And we all know the French are bad, because, um.... they... umm... well they didn't support our war... but neither did Germany or most other nations... umm... but the French, they were bad before that because... umm... well they're snobs, yeah! and umm... they lose wars! Yeah! and they surrendered to the Germans right away, yeah! and we saved their butts and they're ungrateful... and umm...

    Anyway it's clear now. Canada = France = bad.

    Nationalism is a very dangerous thing, doubly so when you can spin racism into it.
     
  5. wwworry macrumors regular

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    How can those Canadians in Montreal and Quebec City be bad when the language they speak is "freedom"? They eat freedom fries don't they?
     
  6. blue&whiteman macrumors 65816

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    so when a nation doesn't want to send its citizens to war to be killed thats a bad thing? that state of mind is so typically american. if bush wants to send his own people then thats up to him but he or anyone cannot sit there and demand that other nations have to back them up even if they don't agree with the situation.

    wow. this is all so wrong.
     
  7. blue&whiteman macrumors 65816

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    also, canada fully supported the us in afghanistan and still has hundreds of troops there and at the peak canada had 4000 there. 4 canadians were killed by an american fighter pilot over there. the canadians were doing a scheduled firing practice at night and the pilot bombed them even though he was told not to by his superior. bush had next to nothing to say in response to this.

    canada shows support for america in afghanistan and was stabbed in the back by that event. canada was also one of the first countries to back the us in the gulf war back in 91. canada owes nothing to no one. leave them alone.
     
  8. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    Wasn't it something along the lines of 'Oops'?
     
  9. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    Good luck with that.

    As for O'Reilly being an anchor or even giving the semblance of being impartial...could you imagine Peter Jennings or Tom Brokaw saying anything like that???
     
  10. numediaman thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Well, Peter Jennings is Canadian, so he must be one of those Al Qaeda loving, draft dodging . . . whatever. :rolleyes:
     
  11. blackfox macrumors 65816

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    Well, you know I joked about the possibility of invading Canada for all of its' shale-deposit oil in another thread...hmm...with this administration, you never can tell...
     
  12. screener macrumors newbie

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    Canada is next

    Hi All,
    I was browsing the forums and Canada next caught my eye.
    I'm from Canada and watch O'Reilly in small doses as I can't
    take the I'm right and the rest of you are morons for not agreeing
    with me, but it's entertaining nonetheless.
    Now as I understand the ratings, his show is consistently no. 1.
    Someone is watching, idiot or not and I would assume they like
    what they hear.
    Same goes for the entire Fox News Network.
    Apart from the hell in Iraq I watch the network along with CNN
    and our news outlets to get a balanced view of world events.
    I hope Americans of both sides get a balanced view and not
    stick to one Networks view.

    Do they still sell Freedom Fries?>
    Weren't the French sorta right?
     
  13. numediaman thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Welcome, screener -- I'm surprised no one has responded to your post.

    About Fox: you must understand that God speaks directly to President Bush, and Fox writes the new Gospel. As a Canadian, you will just have to get used to American troops patrolling your streets. Oh, and from now on, it is color, not colour. ;)

    I don't normally post complete stories, but this one is a great follow-up to the original post:

    And the laugh was still there

    By JOHN DOYLE
    From Thursday's Globe and Mail

    Let's start with a conclusion. The Fox News Channel, its chief ranter Bill O'Reilly and the channel's rabid followers are the lunatic fringe of the American culture.

    I can say this with certainty because I've now got an earful from O'Reilly several times over, but I've also heard from thousands of American readers who view Fox News and O'Reilly with utter loathing and deep embarrassment.

    I think Fox News Channel is comically overheated with its wailing about "left-wingers" and "elites." I also think O'Reilly is nothing more than an intolerant windbag, what the Irish astutely call a gobshiXe.

    If somebody wants to make the Fox News Channel available in Canada, fine. Believe me, if you thought Dan Rather's occasional outbursts of jittery, googly-eyed American jingoism were comical, you haven't seen anything yet. O'Reilly makes our Ed the Sock look like a reasonable chap.

    The Fox News philosophy of finger-pointing about perceived lapses in patriotism and suspicion of outsiders is no more representative of the true spirit of the United States than the Taliban represents Islam.

    A week ago, I wrote about how my mockery of Fox News and O'Reilly had resulted in some highly abusive and comically ill-written e-mail from the United States.

    This stirred many Americans to write and apologize for their fellow Americans, and for the existence of Fox News. That was the story so far. Then The New York Times called.

    Last Sunday, the Times carried a feature about my mockery of Fox News and O'Reilly, the expletive-filled responses from his followers and the apologies that followed. The Times found it funny, and it was. It turns out that a lot of Americans read The New York Times on a Sunday.

    Since then I have received thousands upon thousands of e-mails from Americans who are mortified. People in New York, Chicago, Seattle, Denver and Phoenix have invited me out to dinner. Many others have invited me to stay in their homes.

    I've been invited to give a talk in Denver. Schoolchildren, retirees, registered Republicans and Democrats have written to apologize for the abusive mail I received from Fox News fans.

    Many join in my amusement at the barking-mad antics on Fox News. They know, as Americans usually do, that by laughing we drain the fanatics of their significance.

    This past week, Bill O'Reilly seems obsessed with Canada. This probably mystifies many of his American viewers. On Tuesday, Globe columnist Rick Salutin was on his radio show. On Tuesday evening, my fellow Globe columnist and friend Heather Mallick was on his TV show. In all instances, he attacked Canada and The Globe and Mail. When he spoke to Mallick, he proclaimed that if Canada harbours two "deserters" from the U.S. military who don't want to return to duty in Iraq, there would be a nationwide boycott of Canada, which will result in a recession.

    The threatening, hectoring hysteria is precisely what makes much of Fox News Channel amusing to Canadians and mortifies many Americans. Most of us, no matter what way we lean politically, believe in Canada as a just society. Tolerance, kindness and respect are more valued than shouted attacks and threats. Mistakes are allowed. Forgiveness exists.

    Bill O'Reilly is now obsessed with Canada for several reasons. First, he's stung by the realization that Canadians might laugh at his aggressiveness. Second, The Times piece about the abusive letters revealed that many of his supporters are foul-mouthed fanatics. Third, Canada represents an irritating calmness and assuredness at a time when the American culture is in crisis. To paraphrase W. B. Yeats (an Irish writer who the American-Irish O'Reilly should acquaint himself with), our hearts have not grown brutal from the fray.

    In the midst of all those thousands of e-mails from sympathetic, embarrassed Americans, I also received a handful of abusive insults, both personal and directed at Canada. One man wrote: "Canada is little more than a pimple on the Earth's ass." Well, we know we irritate you. And we know we'll laugh when Fox News comes to Canada.

    From the volume of apologetic mail I've received, it seems certain that the generous, humorous spirit of the United States is not dead and has not been lost. The shrill minority of the lunatic fringe that follows and supports Fox News has merely temporarily shouted it down. Bring Fox News here by all means, and let's have a laugh. Americans can learn from that.​
     
  14. blue&whiteman macrumors 65816

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    I am stunned that anyone can have a problem with canada.

    canada has always had a big heart and deep giving pockets when other nations need help.

    canada is not perfect by any means but they have come closer to being a perfect nation than anyone.
     
  15. screener macrumors newbie

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    Thanks for the kind words but we have or "fanatics" on both sides here
    as well. No three, maybe four as our right wing can't seem to agree and they are split kind of.
    Myself, I'm middle of the road and I'm willing to listen and learn, hence the
    lurking. Man I hate that term.
    I had to respond to this post because Fox and their programs have a huge
    following and some of the stuff they put out there is well, out there.
    Most Canadians know whats happening in the States and there is a lot
    of head shaking happening.
    The polarization starting with the Clinton years was perplexing to us.
    An election decided by the courts because of hanging chads.
    The tradgedy of 911 and going after those that did it which was supported
    around the world, Canada included.
    Then Iraq. I can understand supporting your president, especially if
    following politics and news isn't your thing, but with all the info out
    there now there isn't an excuse not to at least go, why are our soldiers
    getting killed, what was the premise for going to war, why do we hate the
    French, the Germans, why aren't the Iraquis helping us and on and on.
    No, the presidents poll numbers go up and any dissent is unpatriotic.
    Wer'e perplexed and O'Reilly wants to boycott us.
    John Doyle, the Globe and Mail writer says his followers are the lunatic
    fringe. Some maybe, alot just agree with him. That's disturbing

    No one answered my question, do they still sell freedom fries and if
    so, does anyone go out of there way to buy them?
     
  16. numediaman thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    What does a "freedom fry" taste like, anyway.

    I'm very impressed with John Doyle's writing -- I think I'll keep checking him out. But I think the NY Times might want to snatch him up. Maybe he can replace David Brooks on the Op/Ed page.

    Good luck to the Canadiens, Flames and the Leafs (so far my Sharks are doing pretty good).
     
  17. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    No, not anymore. Freedom fries have gone the way of lots of the American flags on the backs of peoples SUVs.... faded and worn.
     
  18. screener macrumors newbie

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    "No, not anymore. Freedom fries have gone the way of lots of the American flags on the backs of peoples SUVs.... faded and worn."

    I hope nobody choked on them.

    Just read on the Drudge Report that some ABS affiliates won't be
    broadcasting Kopple's show tomorrow, cites politics as reason.
    Why not let their viewers decide if they want to watch. Who's playing
    politics?

    This is what I mean about O'Reilly and his ilk.
    Don't let them take over, the whole worlds watching and it doesn't
    matter if you don't care cause it might come back to bite you.

    You sent these guys over there, Let Americans see the faces of those
    you supported who gave there lives.
    This is real folks and they should be honored, not hidden away.
     
  19. SlyHunter macrumors newbie

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    that story http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=71000001&refer=us&sid=aqgo9j99xhd4
     
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    In the US, you'd be labeled a dirty commie left-wing socialist bleeding heart liberal by the "fair and balanced" media.
     
  21. screener macrumors newbie

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    "In the US, you'd be labeled a dirty commie left-wing socialist bleeding heart liberal by the "fair and balanced" media."

    Yeah, so I wouldn't survive long as a guest on the O'Reilly show.
    Never was a joiner or a follower. like to make up my own mind,
    not have someone do it for me.
    Do what I think is right and hope I'm not a Psycho.

    "fair and balanced"?
     
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    Well, two out of three ain't bad :( Poor Habs.

    But I do pick your Sharks to win it all this year.
     
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    screener....

    Sorry if not on topic, but may I ask what part of Canada you are from screener? As large as Canada is, I imagine the culture and political realities change as you move across the provinces, much like the difference between S California reality and that of Wisconsins' here in the states. I have spent considerabe time in parts of BC and Ontario, but am curious about Canadian culture elsewhere...care to illuminate? Also, if you know a good loophole for emigrating...and welcome BTW
     
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    (this isn't aimed at you pseudobrit ;) )
    I love it when people say that the French are ungrateful for being liberated by the US (not it was really the US, I'll come back to that in 4 lines) because:
    1.The French were freed to be, well, free, not some kind of muppet that would do everything Washington wants. If you wanted that, then the US should have invaded France, not freed it.
    2.People that say that France is ungrateful towards the US have visibly never been to France. Many monuments were edified in recognition, many museums exists and do stress the role of the US, WWI & WWII are taught to every high school student and many go to the Normandy cemetaries. Believe me, the French know what it's like to be occupied and know what it's like to be freed. Ponder on that - not many Americans will know what it's like to be occupied and bombed.

    As to who liberated France, well please don't forget the British. Lots of equipement and soldiers were American, but they didn't win the war in Europe by themselves. A few pointers: D-Day was under the command of Gal Montgomery (British Army), the decoder was retrived by a British submarine (and not a US one as depicted depicted in U-571), the Brits largely won the war in North Africa. The help and accomplishement of the US are nontheless greatly appreciated on this side of the pond.
     
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    Or the Canadians. Or the French themselves.
     

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