I have an old beige G3 desktop, which kids use for games. Recently, it stopped working. To cut a long story short, I have been trying to re-install the system software (8.01), but get a message something like "cannot update Apple HD drivers" after a few minutes. I have checked the disk with Techtool Pro, and everything appears OK. Nothing important on it, so I wiped the hard disk with Techtool Pro and formatted it as extended, but software would not install. I wiped it again, formatted as standard, then tried Apple Disk Utility to format, but it just gives me the spinning wheel (6 hours) Any clues anyone? It starts up fine from the Apple CD, and Techtool. I even have an old copy of the system backed up. Can I dump this onto the HD icon of the G3 via ethernet connected to my G4 titanium, and would this work? Could the installer CD be the problem? It is fairly scratched. The G3 has no firewire / USB Yes, I know I should forget it, and have already bought a MacMini, but this machine was always a good workhorse and I don't wan't to let it die. Finally, as a thought, can I install Tiger on it? If so, with no DVD drive, how can this be done? I do have other new machines which could hook via Ethernet. Thanks, Andy G Thoughts please?