Had though my software update had been updating the ipod software as and when it found updates. But looking at the Installed Updates tab i find records like this: Sunday, December 04, 2005 18:57:31 America/New_York: Installed "iPod Updater 2005-11-17" ((null)) Its the null but that im confused about. The softeware installs to my hard disk (OS 10.2.8) but does not seem to load on to the ipod even when its attched. If i try to click on the ipod as the disk of choice it has a big red exclamation mark Last successful update was Wednesday, March 16, 2005 21:33:57 America/New_York: Installed "iPod Driver" (3.1) Any ideas on what im doing wrong? Thanks!