Castro ailing: hands over power to brother

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  1. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

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    OK, this seems to be just breaking on AP wires so I can't give any links or any detail yet as it's just turned up in some scrolling text on the Guardian's site.

    Are we seeing the end of his tenure and what could it mean for Cuba?

    Edit: Now there's a page and it appears as though the handover is temporary.

    Not much interesting then (perhaps).

    As you were. :)


     
  2. Dont Hurt Me macrumors 603

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    No comments? Tyrants & Dictators are all of the same mold im sure if something happened to Castro his brother would declare himself grand commie unless forced to leave or some other wannabee would declare himself king. Those in Power crave more, just look how our own President has watered down the Constitution with signing statements and the un-patriotact.
     
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    Castro's brother is no spring chicken himself. Sure he will probably sieze power if he outlives Fidel, but his reign will be short.

    The issue of what happens after Castro in Cuba is still very much up in the air AFAIK.
     
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    Hopefully never. Not that either of them are good leaders, but we should not be policing the world.
     
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    -40 years?
     
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    There are bigger fish to fry
     
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    I agree it is very much up in the air. The handpicked successor to both the Castro brothers seems to be Ricardo Alarcon, the President of the Parliament, and a much younger man (in his sixties?) Whether it all falls apart once Fidel dies or continues on like China is another question. My hope would be that some transition to a real democracy can take place peacefully without outside interference.
     
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    Some chance with the US doing it's normal meddling.Still if Fidel goes (and I wouldn't count on that just yet) it may be a opportunity to consolidate some of the good things about the Cuban revolution and at last confront the many bad things.
     
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    Please point out those good things that came out of the Cuban Revolution for me?
     
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    That's easy if you really want to know, DHM. I've been to Cuba and have seen the effect of the revolution on the people there. While Cuba is still generally a poor country it has made tremendous leaps in health care, literacy, housing, education, and, of course, independence from US control. We may agree about the stifling effects of Fidel's iron grip on the State, but that does mean a revolution against Batista and everything he represented wasn't needed.
     
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    The final getting rid of the US/Batista/mafia regime.
    The great advances in health,literacy,freedom from starvation,etc etc etc.
    The bad things,lack of individual freedoms,persecution of gays,Anarchists etc.
    Overall Cuba has done much better than most of the comparable countries and this with the most powerful nation on earth trying to prevent any advances in any way it can.
     
  13. Blue Velvet thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    • Lower rate of infant mortality than the U.S.
    • Twice the number of doctors per 1000 people
    • Higher number of hospital beds per 1000 people
    • Almost identical literacy rates as the U.S.
    • Identical life-expectancy rates of the U.S.
    • Lower rates of HIV than the U.S.
    • Triple the amount (%) of central govt. expenditure to education than the U.S.


    All from Unicef.
     
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    Funny thing is, we get all huffy about Iran trying to "interfere" in Iraqi politics, but when it's Cuba
    Does anyone think we would accept "we are actively working for change in Iraq" as an excuse from Iran for opposing our efforts there, where "actively working for change" means trying to overthrow the US-backed government?
     
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    I was just thinking, Castro's Cuba must be a fantastic place! Thats why his people are allways building boats out of old chevys or what have you.:D
     
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    I didn't see anyone call Cuba a "fantastic place," but I did see a few responses to your question about "good things that came out of the Cuban Revolution." If you want to condemn Fidel for the lack of democracy, you won't find me disagreeing.
     
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    I'd like to visit Cuba one day soon. My university has connections there, so perhaps I could get a Co-op term there or something.

    Isn't there some sort of law or penalty to prevent Americans from traveling to Cuba or supporting the country in any way?
     
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    Off the top of my head you should be able to go to Cuba via Mexico or Canada.

    Bit more info on this page: http://www.ibike.org/cuba/ofac/cuba-travelto.htm
     
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    Oh yes, seeing as I am Canadian, I think I'd likely use a Canadian airline or something ;)

    EDIT: BTW, thanks for the link! Lots of good info there.
     
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    Your passport could get revoked. Other than that, i don't know.
     
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    Whoops,sorry just assumed your were USean my bad must check in future.:eek:
     
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    Haha, no hard feelings or anything. It's certainly a fair assumption :rolleyes:

    Perhaps I should add "Canada" to my location, in case people have no idea what or where "Freddy" is.
     
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    Just a little sarcasm, I think Democracy shared with Socialism and Capitalism can be great, but Communism has led to the Island being what it is. Behind the times and poor. Tyrants & Dictators and old fart Castro is both, what a shame that so many have accepted what is a F.upd standard of living when Cuba could have been so much more all because of some morons power grab.
    Im sure our King ...I mean president George has a policy on Cuba thats as solid as his policy is in Iraq,meaning there is no policy.
     
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    It's really a shame that Cuba didn't want to be USA's main brothel, gambling saloon and sugar supply anymore, isn't it?

    Additional to all the positives the other people mentioned:

    Cuba is nearly a self-sufficient country, thanks to the strict embargo of the US (they more or less try to starve them to death, thank God unsuccessfully). The situation got much worse after the breakdown of the USSR, which was the main supporter.

    If peak-oil gets reality - probably in my lifetime - it could and most likely will be the economical/agricultural prime example for most western societies.

    The negatives are really the centralistic power of the elite, which leads to suppression. On the other hand, many "leaders" have their ideals and do everything they can to make them come true. Some might do it in their own country, other might do it on a more global level.

    I personally doubt that many Cuban's would want to flee the country, if the embargo wouldn't exist. The embargo might also strengthen the political elite power.

    An interesting question would be: What will happen to Cuba, when revolution government ends? Are they going to be a more western consumerism country, likely under US corporations, or do they prefer the lifestyle they have at the moment?
     

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