For those of you who do not eat meat for moral reasons, does it bother you that most renet (used to make cheese) is harvested from slaughtered calf stomachs?
I'm not trolling - genuinely curious.
There is vegan rennet available.
If they were killing cows specifically to take out their stomachs and make cheese and then throw away the rest, then I think there's some problems. I'm not sure, is this the case?
You met a vegan Abstract (and a strict one at that!). Vegan's don't consume (eat or use) any animal derived products (unless incidental and unavoidable).Yesterday, I met a vegetarian
Ever notice how unhealthy they tend to look? Not the best promotional value to their uptight little vegan cause either.
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A friend of mine (vegetarian) has actually inspired me to eat a lot of things I normally might not have considered. However, she isn't all pushy or condescending about it. It's a preference and not some elitist thing in her instance and that is why it's easier to digest. Vegans that get all moralistic about it just make me nauseous.She wasn't the skinniest girl.
I don't mind vegetarians, and yes, I know I met a vegan yesterday rather than a typical veggy. I may try vegetarianism a go after I graduate. I'd cut out eggs and milk as well, which is further than many veggies will go. However, if yoghurt finds its way into my bowl, then so be it. Same with milk or eggs used in cake.
Oi!How utterly obnoxious. (as are most vegans)
Just reading that annoyed me. How utterly obnoxious. (as are most vegans) Something about the people who do it for moral reasons... it just irritates the hell out of me. I really hope she gets attacked by a swarm of bees and promptly bitten by an animal or something.
It also bothers me that everyone else has to try to cater to their eating styles yet they would never try to cater to your preferences for eating.
Ever notice how unhealthy they tend to look? Not the best promotional value to their uptight little vegan cause either.
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Is it offensive? Am I bovvered? Because the vegans I've been around never once considered that they're attitudes are offensive to people who aren't just like they are. I eat my way, they can eat theirs. I only learned to spurn their choices after hearing how "disgusting" and "wrong" and "cruel" etc etc etc my ice cream was.Most vegans are obnoxious? That's incredibly insulting. I'm not a vegan myself, but I can't help but admire people who put the welfare of animals ahead of their own needs. There may be some flaws to the vegan ideology, but it's a worthwhile exercise in empathy if nothing else.
Oh, and the vegans that I know are generally far healthier than my meat-eating friends; certainly, they're less likely to die from heart disease or bowel cancer, among other things.
yeah but I bet even in your vegan days you didn't behave like an obnoxious tit about it. your veggieness isn't all "in your face" to everyone else who isn't... if that makes sense.Oi!
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OK so what's next? The great isinglass debate?
Fully agree. I'm off to form the Vegetable Liberation Front.Couldn't I say something similar about vegetables, though? They grow and grow, and then you chop them down or pull them out of wherever they were growing. Hardly seems fair to me.
yeah but I bet even in your vegan days you didn't behave like an obnoxious tit about it. your veggieness isn't all "in your face" to everyone else who isn't... if that makes sense.
Awww ok I'll let you off that "obnoxious" comment then(you're the vegetarian friend I was referring to, by the way. I still crave that chickpea dish at the scarlet dot, which I never would have tried otherwise. )
I have a feeling you were being facetious Abstract but I'll answer anyway . For everyone the answer is going to be slightly different again but for me personally to reiterate; I live in a society where eating meat is completely unnecessary for me to fulfil my daily dietary requirements (+ I don't miss it in my diet). Therefore I find the pain and suffering (incidental or otherwise) involved in the rearing of animals for slaughter irreconcilable for my own consuption. Pain and suffering are attributes of a CNS and complex behaviour - a characteristic of animals and generally completely absent in plants. On the scale of exploitation and suffering plants come lowly on the list.Couldn't I say something similar about vegetables, though? They grow and grow, and then you chop them down or pull them out of wherever they were growing. Hardly seems fair to me.