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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Sayhey, Jan 27, 2004.
Will someone get Cheney the memo? He is getting to look more foolish everyday.
NY Times op/ed
i have to believe it's calculated, even as other parts of the administration imply they're reinvestigation pre-war intelligence.
time to close this case
I suggest a documentary co-produced by moveon.org
"Uncovered: The Whole Truth"
It's not conspiracy stuff, it just puts the WMD front for the "war" in plain view (if it's not clear enough).
Speaking of WMD... does the US really need to develop tactical nukes? or are those not intended for mass destruction?
Re: time to close this case
We're very much a 'do as I say, not as I do' kind of nation these days.
Re: time to close this case
don't you know our weapons are for promoting peace? everyone else's promote war...it's a strange phenom.
and regarding cheney...he just doesn't care what the evidence says. he made up his mind long before iraq's capabilities were investigated. NTM, he makes large use of his VP free pass...afterall, he's not the president so technically, he's not making the decisions. (yea, right...) he still gets to spread the lies about iraq and al queda ties and those mobile labs to unsuspecting listeners who believe politicians don't lie because there's a large demographic that closely identifies with cheney and this administration makes full use of it.
it's not an accident that bush and cheney are telling different stories.
I tend to agree, it's about muddying the waters and perhaps blunting the impact of the Kay resignation. I can't figure out any other good reason for Cheney to make these remarks at this particular time. Unless he's a complete megalomaniac, of course, and we all know that can't be the case.
Maybe he is referring to the Kay report.
1. From birth, all of Iraq's WMD activities were highly compartmentalized within a regime that ruled and kept its secrets through fear and terror and with deception and denial built into each program;
2. Deliberate dispersal and destruction of material and documentation related to weapons programs began pre-conflict and ran trans-to-post conflict;
3. Post-OIF looting destroyed or dispersed important and easily collectable material and forensic evidence concerning Iraq's WMD program. As the report covers in detail, significant elements of this looting were carried out in a systematic and deliberate manner, with the clear aim of concealing pre-OIF activities of Saddam's regime;
4. Some WMD personnel crossed borders in the pre/trans conflict period and may have taken evidence and even weapons-related materials with them;
5. Any actual WMD weapons or material is likely to be small in relation to the total conventional armaments footprint and difficult to near impossible to identify with normal search procedures. It is important to keep in mind that even the bulkiest materials we are searching for, in the quantities we would expect to find, can be concealed in spaces not much larger than a two car garage;
6. The environment in Iraq remains far from permissive for our activities, with many Iraqis that we talk to reporting threats and overt acts of intimidation and our own personnel being the subject of threats and attacks. In September alone we have had three attacks on ISG facilities or teams: The ISG base in Irbil was bombed and four staff injured, two very seriously; a two person team had their vehicle blocked by gunmen and only escaped by firing back through their own windshield; and on Wednesday, 24 September, the ISG Headquarters in Baghdad again was subject to mortar attack.
What have we found and what have we not found in the first 3 months of our work?
We have discovered dozens of WMD-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during the inspections that began in late 2002. The discovery of these deliberate concealment efforts have come about both through the admissions of Iraqi scientists and officials concerning information they deliberately withheld and through physical evidence of equipment and activities that ISG has discovered that should have been declared to the UN. Let me just give you a few examples of these concealment efforts, some of which I will elaborate on later:
· A clandestine network of laboratories and safehouses within the Iraqi Intelligence Service that contained equipment subject to UN monitoring and suitable for continuing CBW research.
· A prison laboratory complex, possibly used in human testing of BW agents, that Iraqi officials working to prepare for UN inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the UN.
· Reference strains of biological organisms concealed in a scientist's home, one of which can be used to produce biological weapons.
· New research on BW-applicable agents, Brucella and Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF), and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin were not declared to the UN.
· Documents and equipment, hidden in scientists' homes, that would have been useful in resuming uranium enrichment by centrifuge and electromagnetic isotope separation (EMIS).
· A line of UAVs not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 km, 350 km beyond the permissible limit.
· Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited SCUD variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the UN.
· Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1000 km -- well beyond the 150 km range limit imposed by the UN. Missiles of a 1000 km range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets through out the Middle East, including Ankara, Cairo, and Abu Dhabi.
Many of you are not listening to what Kay is saying. Please pay attention to item #6.
Given the difficult security situation in some areas, it is possible that more things have been found but not declared in the report. Al Queda is running loose over there and once WMD are officially announced they are in danger of falling into the wrong hands.
So, there is now more chance of Al Queda obtaining WOMD than when Saddam was in power.
Combining that with the US invasion and occupation which can only increase terrorist recruitment, please explain to me again why I should now feel so much safer.
No, g5man, you're the one not listening. Forget the report drawn up months ago under extreme duress from his (then) employees. What about listening to what the man you are so fond of quoting has been saying in the last few days?